c55-hc@ucbbuddy.BERKELEY.EDU (Brent Chapman) (11/24/85)
In article <43@mit-amt.MIT.EDU> gerber@mit-amt.MIT.EDU (Andrew S. Gerber) writes: >Today is Drop Date at MIT. There are less than three weeks to the >last day of class. Dropping a class at this point is the same as >droping a class at any other point in the term -- it doesn't show up >on your record. It is the same for any department. > >Are there any other schools with a drop date this late? Oh - also at >MIT you can add a course (with the permission of the instructor -- >there's usually no reason for them to object) up until the 5th week of >the term. Here at UC Berkeley, drop date is the end of the fifth week of classes. By this time, MOST classes (but, unfortunately, not all) have already had at least one midterm as well as several assignments. Personally, I would like to see the drop date pushed back until the eight or tenth week or so, but I can see where that would cause problems. For one thing, students would tend to sign up for more classes than they intended to complete, thus increasing Cal's chronic over-crowding problems. Rumor has it that down on the farm (Stanford, for those blissfully unaware) students may drop a class right up until 24 hours prior to the final exam. I can't confirm or deny this, and I have no idea what penalties if any are exacted. Brent Chapman ucbvax!ucbugs!chapman ucbvax!ucbbuddy!c55-hc ucbvax!dual!waldo!chapman { Opinions herein are strictly my own, etc... }
scott@gitpyr.UUCP (Scott Holt) (12/01/85)
> Here at UC Berkeley, drop date is the end of the fifth week of classes. > By this time, MOST classes (but, unfortunately, not all) have already had > at least one midterm as well as several assignments. Personally, I would > like to see the drop date pushed back until the eight or tenth week or > so, but I can see where that would cause problems. For one thing, students > would tend to sign up for more classes than they intended to complete, thus > increasing Cal's chronic over-crowding problems. The situtation with over crowding is exactly the reason why we at Ga. Tech have taken the question of a more restrictive drop policy. Currently we are able to drop up to the end of the 5th week ( we are on a 10 week quarter ) with no restrictions ( generaly, some schools in the institute are more restrictive ). It was the general opinion of the committee that I am on that the drop policy was a cause of some of our overcrowding problems. We introduced a bill that would limit the total number of drops to 6 ( 2 as a freshman, 1 as a sophmore, 1 as a junior, and 2 as a senior ). The bill also contained request that advisment procedures be improved, that schools try to stop listing 'Staff' as the instructor in the schedule of classes, and that students be limited to 19 hours during pre-registration. The bill passed, sans drop policy. Do the schools out there with 'liberal' drop policies have much of a problem with overcrowding, or classes closing out early in registration? Also, what kind of advisment procedures do you have and are the instructors for a class know before registration? - Scott -- --------- I'll stop procrastinating tomorow. Scott Holt Georgia Tech Po Box 36199 Atlanta, GA 30332 USENET: scott@gitpyr BITNET: CCASTSH AT GITVM1
wmartin@brl-tgr.ARPA (Will Martin ) (12/03/85)
In article <1123@gitpyr.UUCP> scott@gitpyr.UUCP (Scott Holt) writes: >We introduced >a bill that would limit the total number of drops to 6 ( 2 as a freshman, 1 as >a sophmore, 1 as a junior, and 2 as a senior ). The bill also contained request >that advisment procedures be improved, that schools try to stop listing 'Staff' >as the instructor in the schedule of classes, and that students be limited to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >19 hours during pre-registration. The bill passed, sans drop policy. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'm sorry, I don't understand the marked portion above. "19 hours" of what? Will
scott@gitpyr.UUCP (Scott Holt) (12/03/85)
In article <223@brl-tgr.ARPA>, wmartin@brl-tgr.ARPA (Will Martin ) writes: > >as the instructor in the schedule of classes, and that students be limited to > >19 hours during pre-registration. The bill passed, sans drop policy. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I'm sorry, I don't understand the marked portion above. "19 hours" of what? > > Will Ok, I'll clarify. We are are currently allowd to schedule up to 23 credit hours ( 3 hours of lab count as 1 credit hour ). We also have 3 registration phases: pre-registration, registration, and late registration. Pre-registration takes place shortly after midterms in the quarter prior to one for which the student is registering. The proposal was to allow a student to only schedule 19 credit hours during pre-registration and lift the limit during registration, which is held a couple of days before classes start. We have a nasty habit of scheduling an overload and then droping masive ammounts, a normal load is 17-19 hours. Since most students schedule during pre-registration, it is hoped that this will keep classes from closing out too early. - Scott -- --------- I'll stop procrastinating tomorow. Scott Holt Georgia Tech Po Box 36199 Atlanta, GA 30332 USENET: scott@gitpyr BITNET: CCASTSH AT GITVM1
schuler@gondor.UUCP (David W. Schuler) (12/03/85)
> The bill also contained request ... > That schools try to stop listing 'Staff' > as the instructor in the schedule of classes. Here at Penn State, we don't even know who instructors (or TA's, etc.) will be UNTIL we walk into class the first day. Sometimes, the departments don't even know who will be teaching until the FIRST DAY of classes. ---------------------------------------------------------------- David W. Schuler {akgua,allegra,ihnp4}!psuvax1!schuler Penn State University schuler@psuvax1.bitnet schuler%gondor@penn-state.csnet Home of the 1982 schuler%psuvaxg.bitnet@wiscvm.arpa National Champion allegra!psuvax1!psuvma.bitnet!tvw Nittany Lions schuler@gondor.uucp ---------------------------------------------------------------- Are you a turtle?
ccs025@ucdavis.UUCP (0048) (12/04/85)
> In article <1123@gitpyr.UUCP> scott@gitpyr.UUCP (Scott Holt) writes: > >that advisment procedures be improved, that schools try to stop listing 'Staff' > >as the instructor in the schedule of classes, and that students be limited to > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >19 hours during pre-registration. The bill passed, sans drop policy. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I'm sorry, I don't understand the marked portion above. "19 hours" of what? > Will I am not the original poster, but I asume by *19 Hours during pre-registration* the author is refering to units enrolled, or "Hours per week" as most Universities measure student workload. This policy of restricting Units of pre-registration is interesting. I do not know why it was instituted at this particular school, but I do know the problem that could exist. Many schools, as is the case here at UC Davis in Calif. , offer a pre-registration form. On this you put the classes you would like. Then all the requests are processed by computer. If you did't get what you want or if there is a change you want to make, there is a one day IN PERSON ENROLLMENT. This usually resembles a hockey game, with students pushing shoving, running frantically, and waiting in long lines etc... just to be told that the class they want is already full (actually I get about 1/2 the classes I try for in person). What does this have to do with anything? Well, to avoid this IN PERSON hassle, many people would sign up for 20 classes to make sure the computer at least gave them the minimum 12 hours needed to stay enrolled. The problem is that everyone ends up dropping the extra classes two days after IN PERSON ENROLLMENT, so unless you attend class and get on a waiting list, you lose. The bottom line is: Restricting pre-registration hours (units) gives everyone a better chance at getting what they want. I know this was long, sorry. If I am wrong PLEASE do correct me, I would be interested to know what the rule was passed for. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin VanRyswyk ..!{dual,lll-crg,ucbvax}!ucdavis!deneb!ccs025 --------------------------------------------------------------------
andy@Shasta.ARPA (12/06/85)
scott@gitpyr writes about tightening drop policies > it is hoped that this will keep classes from closing out too early. > - Scott There are (at least) two other ways to accomplish this. Why not have more classes or admit fewer students? (I suppose reducing graduation requirements is right out.) :-) -andy at decwrl!glacier!Shasta!andy goes to andy@su-sushi.stanford.edu ps - Yes, Stanford does have a "liberal" drop-policy. We don't admit people we don't want to graduate.
scott@gitpyr.UUCP (Scott Holt) (12/09/85)
In article <1572@Shasta.ARPA>, andy@Shasta.ARPA writes: > > There are (at least) two other ways to accomplish this. Why not > have more classes or admit fewer students? (I suppose reducing > graduation requirements is right out.) :-) > one simple answer to that...we are a state school...we dont always get the money to hire the faculty to teach more classes and if we cut enrollment we lose a good portion of the money we get now. - Scott -- --------- I'll stop procrastinating tomorow. Scott Holt Georgia Tech Po Box 36199 Atlanta, GA 30332 USENET: scott@gitpyr BITNET: CCASTSH AT GITVM1