carter@gatech.UUCP (Carter Bullard) (02/11/85)
In response to some thing that came onto my terminal: > Laetrile is one of the less common B vitamins. (I forget which one) WRONG!!!!! WRONG!!!!! WRONG!!!!! Laetrile is not a B vitamin. It never has been, it never will be. It is classified as a cyano-polysaccaride, that is a sugar that contains a cyano chemical group. It is basically cyanide conjugated to a very large sugar. B vitamins are not sugars. They never have been and they never will be. I believe that a definition of vitamin is in order. A vitamin is a substance that you must provide in your diet, without which you will die. Not get sick, but die. That is dead, deceased, past-away, stiff, rigormortized, left for the vultures, not going to come back again in this present form, dead. Did your mother warn you about eating enough peach, prune or apricot pits? If it was important, she would have said something and I think that staying alive is one of those things that she would have considered important. > Hard to imagine a B vitamin hurting anyone. (if you get more than > you need, your body dumps the extra) > I won't even bother to argue whether vitamins can hurt you or not. It should be obvious that if you can die of too much water, then you can die from too many vitamins. > Nutritional type therapys are much better, since they work *with* > your body, instead of *against* it, as drugs tend to do. Statements like the one above make me very depressed. It is based on what someone read in a book by somebody who got on a talk show and who happens to know this doctor who's cool and has had an aunt that had this lump on her leg that went away when her microwave oven broke down and swears that running backwards reverses time. The world is in sad shape. -- Carter Bullard ICS, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta GA 30332 CSNet:Carter @ Gatech ARPA:Carter.Gatech @ CSNet-relay.arpa uucp:...!{akgua,allegra,amd,ihnp4,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!carter
tjs@cbdkc1.UUCP ( Tom Stanions) (02/11/85)
> In response to some thing that came onto my terminal: > > > Laetrile is one of the less common B vitamins. (I forget which one) > > WRONG!!!!! WRONG!!!!! WRONG!!!!! > Laetrile is not a B vitamin. It never has been, it never will be. > It is classified as a cyano-polysaccaride, that is a sugar that contains > a cyano chemical group. It is basically cyanide conjugated to a very > large sugar. B vitamins are not sugars. They never have been and they > never will be. > > I believe that a definition of vitamin is in order. > > A vitamin is a substance that you must provide in your diet, without which > you will die. Not get sick, but die. That is dead, deceased, past-away, > stiff, rigormortized, left for the vultures, not going to come back again in > this present form, dead. > > Did your mother warn you about eating enough peach, prune or apricot pits? > If it was important, she would have said something and I think that staying > alive is one of those things that she would have considered important. > > > > Hard to imagine a B vitamin hurting anyone. (if you get more than > > you need, your body dumps the extra) > > > I won't even bother to argue whether vitamins can hurt you or not. > It should be obvious that if you can die of too much water, then you > can die from too many vitamins. > > > Nutritional type therapys are much better, since they work *with* > > your body, instead of *against* it, as drugs tend to do. > > Statements like the one above make me very depressed. It is based > on what someone read in a book by somebody who got on a talk show and > who happens to know this doctor who's cool and has had an aunt that had > this lump on her leg that went away when her microwave oven broke down and > swears that running backwards reverses time. > > The world is in sad shape. > > -- > Carter Bullard > ICS, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta GA 30332 > CSNet:Carter @ Gatech ARPA:Carter.Gatech @ CSNet-relay.arpa > uucp:...!{akgua,allegra,amd,ihnp4,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!carter You want FLAME you opened yourself up perfectly. Laetrile is the common name for Vitamin B17 no matter what your opinion might be (just like B15=Pangamic acid, B13=Orbic acid, B12=Cyanocobalamin, B6=Pyridoxine, need I go on). My mother never told me to eat peach pits, unfortunatly she also didn't tell me not to use refined sugar and flour or chocolate or caffine or eat to much meat. Obviously your mother knew as little about nutrition as yourself and some of the other people partaking in this discussion. The B vitamins are neccessary for the proper nerve balance of the body and I dare say we could not live without them. As for your dislike of nutritional methods remember that bad nutrition is at the heart of many of todays major ills. It is proven, scientific fact that in areas of the world where people eat good food and have a proper attitude these problems (cancer, heart conditions, arthritis, etc) are almost unknown. The only person who can cure you of a disease is yourself, if you denie your body of the building blocks and tools then all the drugs cannot help you.
carter@gatech.UUCP (Carter Bullard) (02/16/85)
> > You want FLAME you opened yourself up perfectly. Laetrile > is the common name for Vitamin B17 no matter what your > opinion might be (just like B15=Pangamic acid, B13=Orbic > acid, B12=Cyanocobalamin, B6=Pyridoxine, need I go on). > You just don't know what you are talking about. I was about to recommend some books for you to read, but I realize now that it is of no use. You are just too far gone. Laetrile is a tradename. Amygdalin is the common name, and there is no such thing as Vitamin B17. For anyone else interested in this, I suggest ' The Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics', edited by Goodman and Gilman. It talks about this in greater detail than you care to know and I only recommend it as a starting place. You have to understand that people have been concerned with trying to avoid death for a long time, and there is a lot of reading that you will have to do if you want to catch up with what people have been saying for the last 2-3000 years. The only reason that Hippocrates is a cool dude in medicine, is because he suggested that disease was caused by real things in the world, not divine intervention. He basically tried to bring the understanding of disease out of the realm of folklore and into the realm of science. Unfortunately, people still continue to pass on misinformation to society and subsidize the developement of not just folklore but destructive folklore. You just can't pass on what you have heard on TV, or what you read in The National Enquirer and present it as an enlightened view on life, or how to live it. Now if what you want to say is that someone told you that Laetrile is vitamin B17, or that you firmly believe in your heart that it seems logical or possibly just good sense to eat less meat, then say it. But don't say it as if it were from the mouth of God himself, because the world may not be as logical as you would like it to be. > My mother never told me to eat peach pits, unfortunatly she > also didn't tell me not to use refined sugar and flour or > chocolate or caffine or eat to much meat. Obviously your > mother knew as little about nutrition as yourself and some > of the other people partaking in this discussion. The B My mother? I just don't see where you come off thinking that you are enough of a fool or even enough of a second grader to make any comment on my understanding of nutrition, let alone that of my mother. > almost unknown. The only person who can cure you of a > disease is yourself, if you denie your body of the building > blocks and tools then all the drugs cannot help you. I am amazed that any education system could produce such an attitude. The world is in sad shape. -- Carter Bullard ICS, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta GA 30332 CSNet:Carter @ Gatech ARPA:Carter.Gatech @ CSNet-relay.arpa uucp:...!{akgua,allegra,amd,ihnp4,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!carter
ems@amdahl.UUCP (E. Michael Smith) (02/21/85)
> > > > You want FLAME you opened yourself up perfectly. Laetrile > > is the common name for Vitamin B17 no matter what your > > opinion might be > > Calling Laetril "vitamin B17" is fine with me. > Using your scientific "rigor" (mortis?), I think I'll > call MYSELF a B vitamin also, since it sounds SO wholesome! When you can explain to me what cancer is, how it works, and how to prevent or cure it (with full documentation of 'rigor'us testing and research) then I'll believe that one of you knows what you are talking about. As long as cancer remains a mystery, neither side can claim to be any more 'right' than the other. You are both argueing relegion.
carter@gatech.UUCP (Carter Bullard) (02/23/85)
> > > > > > You want FLAME you opened yourself up perfectly. Laetrile > > > is the common name for Vitamin B17 no matter what your > > > opinion might be > > > > Calling Laetril "vitamin B17" is fine with me. > > Using your scientific "rigor" (mortis?), I think I'll > > call MYSELF a B vitamin also, since it sounds SO wholesome! > > When you can explain to me what cancer is, how it works, and how to > prevent or cure it (with full documentation of 'rigor'us testing and > research) then I'll believe that one of you knows what you are talking > about. As long as cancer remains a mystery, neither side can claim > to be any more 'right' than the other. You are both argueing relegion. Religion? What are you talking about? The point is that, B Vitamins are a specific set of molecules. Laetrile is not in the set. That is all, and you don't have to have an understanding of anything with regards to cancer in order to recognize that when listing all the known B vitamins in the universe, the intelligent person does not include B17, because there is no such thing. Its just a hyped up California, big sell, advertising gimmick. That is all. Nothing more, nothing less. -- Carter Bullard ICS, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta GA 30332 CSNet:Carter @ Gatech ARPA:Carter.Gatech @ CSNet-relay.arpa uucp:...!{akgua,allegra,amd,ihnp4,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!carter