wild@sun.uucp (Will Doherty) (11/15/85)
Let people know about how AIDS works. It may save
their lives and yours. Talk about this openly; it's a
matter of life and death. If you love someone, you owe
them honest communication about AIDS, even if you're not
having sex with them.
Especially bad is the thought that gay men are the most
likely "risk group" to get AIDS. That simply isn't true.
It's rapidly becoming clear that the main risk group is
people who share needles and people who engage in sexual
practices that exchange bodily fluids, usually through
mucous membrance contact. The more peoples' membranes
you contact, the more likely you are to get it.
In Africa, AIDS is a heterosexual disease. In Europe,
AIDS is about half hetero, half gay male.
Here is an overview of the guidelines to reduce risk of AIDS
for ***everyone***, male or female, gay or straight:
AIDS RISK REDUCTION GUIDELINES
[Source: Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality,
San Francisco, CA, 415-928-1133
Call them for a copy of their report
"Condom Use, AIDS Prevention, and Increased
Sexual Enjoyment"
If you live in the San Francisco area, call for
a reservation to one of their workshops on
"Eroticizing Safe Sex" (Excellent!)
Another good source is the SF AIDS Foundation Hotline,
800-FOR-AIDS]
Safe or very low risk:
* Social (dry) kissing
* Hugging
* Body massage
* Non-genital petting
* Mutual Masturbation (penile, vaginal, clitoral)
* Exhibitionism and Voyeurism (consensual)
* S & M (without bruising or bleeding)
* Using personal sex toys (don't share without sterilizing them)
Possibly safe:
* French (wet) kissing)
* Fellatio without taking ejaculate (cock sucking -- no load)
* Anal intercourse with condom (and spermicide)
* Vaginal intercourse with condom (and spermicide)
* Oral-vaginal sex (with spermicide)
* Urine contact ("golden showers" -- unbroken skin only)
Unsafe:
Anal or vaginal intercourse without a condom
Swallowing semen or taking it vaginally
Oral-anal contact (rimming)
Manual-anal contact (ass play)
Use spermicides that contain nonoxynol-9 (look on the label).
It kills the virus in quite low concentrations.
If you're having trouble getting used to condoms, try playing
with them when you masturbate. Then, when you get together
with a partner, you'll be more used to how they feel and work.
With care, sex can be as fun as ever!
Will Doherty
sun!oscar!wildcheryl@lasspvax.UUCP (Cheryl Stewart) (11/19/85)
In article <3000@sun.uucp> wild@sun.uucp (Will Doherty) writes: >Let people know about how AIDS works. > > [many detailed descriptions of sex acts] This does not belong in net.women any more than it belongs in net.music or net.rec.birds. Sure, women have sex, but so do people who birdwatch or listen to music. Just because the classification of women as a group is based on sexual anatomy does not make this a forum for discussion of sexual practices, or diseases incurred thereby. This newsgroup is intended for discussion of the economic, legal, social and political issues that affect women as individuals and as a group. So keep your bloody cross-postings to yourself.
jeffw@midas.UUCP (Jeff Winslow) (11/20/85)
In article <697@lasspvax.UUCP> cheryl@lasspvax.UUCP (Cheryl Stewart) writes: >In article <3000@sun.uucp> wild@sun.uucp (Will Doherty) writes: >>Let people know about how AIDS works. >> >> [many detailed descriptions of sex acts] > >This does not belong in net.women any more than it belongs in >net.music or net.rec.birds. Sure, women have sex, but so do >people who birdwatch or listen to music. Just because the >classification of women as a group is based on sexual anatomy >does not make this a forum for discussion of sexual practices, >or diseases incurred thereby. > >This newsgroup is intended for discussion of the economic, legal, >social and political issues that affect women as individuals and >as a group. So keep your bloody cross-postings to yourself. But medical issues are right out, huh? AIDS *is* a social and medical issue that affect women as individuals and as a group. If it doesn't affect you, good. But that's hardly a reason to flame. Quite the contrary. Along the lines of recent theorizing by Matt Crawford, I will now ask if perhaps the reason you objected to this article was that you feel threatened by detailed descriptions of sex acts? Jeff Winslow
hollombe@ttidcc.UUCP (The Polymath) (11/20/85)
In article <3000@sun.uucp> wild@sun.uucp (Will Doherty) writes: >Let people know about how AIDS works. It may save >their lives and yours.... >Possibly safe: > ... >* Anal intercourse with condom (and spermicide) >* Vaginal intercourse with condom (and spermicide) >* Oral-vaginal sex (with spermicide) > >Use spermicides that contain nonoxynol-9 (look on the label). >It kills the virus in quite low concentrations. Last I heard there's no medical evidence for this. My information may be out of date, but I certainly wouldn't count on any spermicide to protect me from AIDS. They're not even 100% effective against sperm. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe) Citicorp(+)TTI Common Sense is what tells you that a ten 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. pound weight falls ten times as fast as a Santa Monica, CA 90405 one pound weight. (213) 450-9111, ext. 2483 {philabs,randvax,trwrb,vortex}!ttidca!ttidcc!hollombe
sdyer@bbncc5.UUCP (Steve Dyer) (11/21/85)
> > [many detailed descriptions of sex acts] > > This does not belong in net.women any more than it belongs in > net.music or net.rec.birds. Sure, women have sex, but so do > people who birdwatch or listen to music. Just because the > classification of women as a group is based on sexual anatomy > does not make this a forum for discussion of sexual practices, > or diseases incurred thereby. > > This newsgroup is intended for discussion of the economic, legal, > social and political issues that affect women as individuals and > as a group. So keep your bloody cross-postings to yourself. Without arguing too much about the appropriateness of cross-posting to net.women (I can see arguments on both sides), I should mention that I know Will, and his credentials as a committed feminist are impeccable. I am sure that he sent the message with the best of intentions--i.e., that women, individually and as a class, should be informed about safe-sex recommendations. I found the tone of your article offensive in the extreme, and a total overreaction. There are far more polite ways of suggesting that a subject be discussed elsewhere. -- /Steve Dyer {harvard,seismo}!bbnccv!bbncc5!sdyer sdyer@bbncc5.ARPA
cheryl@lasspvax.UUCP (Cheryl Stewart) (11/22/85)
In article <54@midas.UUCP> jeffw@midas.UUCP (Jeff Winslow) writes: >In article <697@lasspvax.UUCP> cheryl@lasspvax.UUCP (Cheryl Stewart) writes: >>In article <3000@sun.uucp> wild@sun.uucp (Will Doherty) writes: >>>Let people know about how AIDS works. >>> >>> [many detailed descriptions of sex acts] >> >>This does not belong in net.women any more than it belongs in >>net.music or net.rec.birds. Sure, women have sex, but so do >>people who birdwatch or listen to music. Just because the >>classification of women as a group is based on sexual anatomy >>does not make this a forum for discussion of sexual practices, >>or diseases incurred thereby. >> >>This newsgroup is intended for discussion of the economic, legal, >>social and political issues that affect women as individuals and >>as a group. So keep your bloody cross-postings to yourself. > >But medical issues are right out, huh? AIDS *is* a social and medical >issue that affect women as individuals and as a group. And it also affects birdwatchers and music-lovers and unix-wizards. So why choose to pollute OUR group with this mindless drivel quoted out of the New York Post or some similarly inane publication? I mean, you people are only displaying your tasteless reading habits (but then, so am I by continuing to subscribe to this newsgroup). Now if the posting were about something which affected only women, then it would make some sense. How about a posting on how *pregnancy* is incurred, with detailed descriptions of sex acts. Go on. I DARE you. Nyaa-Nyaa-Nyaa. > >Along the lines of recent theorizing by Matt Crawford, I will now ask >if perhaps the reason you objected to this article was that you >feel threatened by detailed descriptions of sex acts? > > Jeff Winslow Oh, HIM! I treasure the memory of ALL of the sex-acts I've performed Matt Crawford! HA! Now I can leave you wondering whether I've actually performed sex acts with Matt Crawford; remember, my statement remains logically correct and true even if I have never lepton his hadron, excited his fundamental modes, accepted an injection of hot magma into my steaming caldera, intersected his orbital, or even licked his throbbing popsicle. I will still maintain that a discussion of AIDS is inappropriate for this newsgroup, not because it affects more men than women, but because it is fundamentally absurd to assume that a classification of people based on sex makes sex a primary concern. -Cheryl -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cheryl Stewart Systems Development lasspvax!cheryl@cornell.arpa Center for Theory and Simulation in Science and Engineering 265 Olin Hall Cornell University Ithaca, N.Y. 14853 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
seifert@hammer.UUCP (Snoopy) (11/22/85)
[ net.motss, net.nlang.africa, net.singles removed from newsgroups: line ] In article <54@midas.UUCP> jeffw@midas.UUCP (Jeff Winslow) writes: >In article <697@lasspvax.UUCP> cheryl@lasspvax.UUCP (Cheryl Stewart) writes: >>In article <3000@sun.uucp> wild@sun.uucp (Will Doherty) writes: >>>Let people know about how AIDS works. >>> >>> [many detailed descriptions of sex acts] >>This does not belong in net.women any more than it belongs in >>net.music or net.rec.birds. Sure, women have sex, but so do >>people who birdwatch or listen to music. Just because the >>classification of women as a group is based on sexual anatomy >>does not make this a forum for discussion of sexual practices, >>or diseases incurred thereby. >But medical issues are right out, huh? AIDS *is* a social and medical >issue that affect women as individuals and as a group. If it doesn't >affect you, good. But that's hardly a reason to flame. Quite the contrary. Sure, and it also affects birdwatchers, and unix-wizards, and people who watch tv, and pretty much everyone who reads any group on the net. That doesn't mean it should be posted to every group there is! AIDS is a medical problem and belongs in net.med. Period. Those interested in reading information about AIDS may subscribe to net.med. Those interested in whatever net.women is doing these days (I gave up on net.women a while back due to a poor S/N ratio) but not interested in AIDS shouldn't have to wade through a bunch of AIDS articles. Taking your thinking to it's logical conclusion, there would be one newsgroup. What a mess. Usenet is collapsing under it's own weight, and posting articles to umpty-zillion newsgroups isn't helping. Snoopy (ECS Ronin #901) tektronix!tekecs!doghouse.TEK!snoopy HAVE YOU TAKEN A BEAGLE OUT TO LUNCH RECENTLY?
rrizzo@bbncca.ARPA (Ron Rizzo) (11/25/85)
Cheryl, The blast you originally sent out was hardly a mere expression on your part that sex was "inappropriate" as a "primary topic" in a newsgroup like "net.women". In fact, you were clearly intolerant of it as a secondary or any other order of topic. So the attempt at humor (directed at Jeff Winslow) was pretty hollow. If you want to appoint yourself net.women's censor, at least spare everyone else the hypocrisy of disavowing the character of your original flame. Cheers, Ron Rizzo
stephen@dcl-cs.UUCP (Stephen J. Muir) (11/26/85)
In article <54@midas.UUCP> jeffw@midas.UUCP (Jeff Winslow) writes: >In article <697@lasspvax.UUCP> cheryl@lasspvax.UUCP (Cheryl Stewart) writes: >>In article <3000@sun.uucp> wild@sun.uucp (Will Doherty) writes: >>>Let people know about how AIDS works. >>> >>> [many detailed descriptions of sex acts] >> >>This does not belong in net.women any more than it belongs in >>net.music or net.rec.birds. Sure, women have sex, but so do >>people who birdwatch or listen to music. >>as a group. So keep your bloody cross-postings to yourself. > >But medical issues are right out, huh? If they are shared by both sexes then definitely. There is a newsgroup called 'net.med' specifically for medical issues. You should use that. >I will now ask >if perhaps the reason you objected to this article was that you >feel threatened by detailed descriptions of sex acts? These kind of remarks are uncalled for. This guy was making a genuine point that these issues are NOT to do with women alone so keep your accusations to yourself. -- UUCP: ...!seismo!mcvax!ukc!dcl-cs!stephen DARPA: stephen%comp.lancs.ac.uk@ucl-cs | Post: University of Lancaster, JANET: stephen@uk.ac.lancs.comp | Department of Computing, Phone: +44 524 65201 Ext. 4599 | Bailrigg, Lancaster, UK. Project:Alvey ECLIPSE Distribution | LA1 4YR