reid%Glacier@sri-unix.UUCP (11/06/83)
From: Brian Reid <reid@Glacier> Here at Stanford we have about a dozen Unix VAXen, and each of them has a "most popular" editor. If the system managers came from a VI background, then VI is the dominant editor; if the system managers came from a Rand background, then Rand is the dominant editor. 10 of our 12 VAXen have Gosling (of course) Emacs as the dominant editor; on most of these systems it is rare to see, ever, a person using any other editor. Our 1 VMS system has about 50% of the users using Emacs. I listen with disbelief to hackers who claim that Emacs is unlearnable. Stanford secretaries and full professors manage to learn it easily, from the documentation and online tutorials, in a minimal amount of time. Any editor is harder to learn if you have preconceived notions of what editors are supposed to do, of course, and anything that you don't want to learn will be hard to learn, so if you sit down at the Emacs documentation prepared to find it inadequate, you will find it inadequate. We are all amused by CCA Emacs and by the eager attempts of its author to use this forum to convince people that he has scientific evidence of its superiority to Gosling's Emacs, but "nobody uses it." We're much harder to fool out here living next to the San Andreas Fault..... Brian Reid Stanford
phil@amd70.UUCP (11/08/83)
Brian Reid implys that Gosling emacs is far superior to CCA's. I've used Gosling emacs and liked it, and have never tried CCA's version. What does Gosling emacs have that is so much better? -- Phil Ngai (408) 988-7777 {ucbvax|decwrl|ihnp4|allegra}!amd70!phil
kjl%BBN-UNIX@sri-unix.UUCP (11/09/83)
From: Ken J. Lebowitz <kjl@BBN-UNIX> I have used both CCA Emacs and Goslings Emacs and I found both of them to be useful editing tools. CCA Emacs comes chock-full of functions which Goslings Emacs doesn't necessarily give you. With Goslings, you do have the option of writing your own functions in Mlisp which is nice but there are many times when it's easier to just look up the name of the function in the manual than writing and debugging your own... Ken Lebowitz BBN Laboratories