[net.emacs] Emacs cost

massar@godot.UUCP (J.P. Massar) (03/01/85)

> In conclusion, then: No, there  is  no public  domain Gosling's Emacs.  Yes,
> there  are  versions you can get, with some difficulty, without  paying  the
> (rather high) price which Unipress charges.  No, Mr Gosling will not want to
> give permission to do so very often.

For a piece of code as complicated and as useful as Emacs (either CCA's /
Zimmerman's or Unipress's / Goslings) the 'rather high' price which is
charged is ridiculously low!

Emacs could never have been developed commerically and sold at these
prices...  The only reason supported versions of Emacs exist at all is
that James Gosling and Steve Zimmerman worked long hours for no
compensation (Richard Stallman and Chris Torek should be included here also) 
many years ago.

Is it not worth some $200 / person (or less, depending on how many
people you have on a machine who use Emacs) as a ONE TIME COST?
Give me a break...

Note:  Please, I do not mean to insult whomever wrote the above comment.
I merely want people to think about the effort involved and the
'cost/benefit' ratio of an editor like Emacs.  I got paid
to work on CCA Emacs / Elisp, but appreciate all the work that was done
gratis before that.

-- 
-- JP Massar, Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge, MA
-- ihnp4!godot!massar
-- massar@cca-unix

karl@osu-eddie.UUCP (Karl Kleinpaste) (03/04/85)

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>>In conclusion, then: No, there  is  no public  domain Gosling's Emacs.  Yes,
>>there  are  versions you can get, with some difficulty, without  paying  the
>>(rather high) price which Unipress charges.  No, Mr Gosling will not want to
>>give permission to do so very often.
>
>For a piece of code as complicated and as useful as Emacs (either CCA's /
>Zimmerman's or Unipress's / Goslings) the 'rather high' price which is
>charged is ridiculously low!
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Umm...OK, you think it's a  low  price.  I,  personally, view it as somewhat
high.  It's a matter of perception, I guess.  Knowing that other editors are
out there, some of them very good and in the public domain, I happen to view
it as a bit on the expensive side.  Personal opinion, and all that.

Anyway, I've also been  informed  in  the  mail  that  my comments about the
proprietary nature of Emacs were incorrect.  Someone from UCB tells me  that
there are in fact *2*  versions  of  Gosling-derived  Emacs  which are being
"freely  distributed," and he suggested that I watch net.emacs for  details.
Frankly, I'm  waiting  not-so-patiently,  because I'd like to get in on this
good  information myself, and get a better version than that which I've  got
right now.

Ah, well; it looks like I made  a  pretty  large  mistake; sorry about that,
folks.  "Confusion will be my epitaph," as King Crimson said...
-- 
Karl Kleinpaste @ Bell Labs, Columbus    614/860-5107  +==-> cbrma!kk
                @ Ohio State University  614/422-0915  osu-eddie!karl

ss@wanginst.UUCP (Sid Shapiro) (03/07/85)

> ----------
> >>In conclusion, then: No, there  is  no public  domain Gosling's Emacs.  Yes,
> >>there  are  versions you can get, with some difficulty, without  paying  the
> >>(rather high) price which Unipress charges.

There is something called JOVE (Jonathan's Own Version of Emacs) which
was distributed several USENIX tapes ago.  I don't know if it is
public domain, but it certainly is cheap (free if you already have the
tape, else about $100).
/ Sid /