ryding@trwrba.UUCP (Mark A. Ryding) (09/18/85)
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A little while back, a posting was made stating the availability of an
emacs for something like $150. Is that right? So, my question is
this, is it available for VAX/VMS (OK so yuck)? If so, where do I send
my bucks? All help is greatly appreciated.
Mark Ryding
{...trwrb!trwrba!ryding}mouse@mcgill-vision.UUCP (der Mouse) (05/25/86)
In article <8605202356.AA12789@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, bogstad@HOPKINS-EECS-BRAVO.ARPA ("William J. Bogstad") writes: > In <2633@teddy.uucp> John Nelson says: >> I recently obtained a copy of BISON (the GNU yacc equivalent). It appears >> that every C file genrated by BISON contains the GNU copyright. >> >> Richard didn't seem very upset when I suggested that I couldn't use >> BISON if I had to give away the generated C program. In fact, He was >> quite pleased (something like: He was just as pleased as if a gun he'd >> manufactured couldn't be used for murder). Probably an accurate analogy. > Why not have GNU Emacs insert a copyright into everything it > produces? Or at least your C code since you are using the auto > formatting of c-mode aren't you? My first point is that as I recall, there is nothing in the GNU terms to prohibit you from modifying the software; so why not modify BISON and take out the extra notice? PLEASE NOTE: I do not actually advise this. First reason is that it is a pretty sleazy thing to do. Second is that if, as you say Stallman said, the generated C code does contain something RMS wrote, there is probably some way the FSF could get you in legal trouble if you do this. Third reason might not be valid; but, is there anything in BISON besides the normal GNU notice? He may have put additional restrictions on BISON, such as, you may not take out the generated copyright notice. Another possible solution is to put the generated parser into some product and then sell the result. All that you would have to do is be prepared to give away the generated parser, presumably pretty useless without the rest of the package. Or am I forgetting something in the GNU notice? It's been a while since I read it. The analogy with c-mode does not hold water since c-mode does not insert anything written by anyone else, at least not anything complicated enough to be covered by copyright (hey you, I hold the copyright on those three blank spaces :-). However, I hope that RMS takes this bit of insanity out. The idea of GNU, as I understand it, is to remove operating systems, not applications programs, from the domain of software competition. I cannot see that the copyright generated by BISON helps this aim any; if anything, it hinders it by making some potential users unable to use BISON. -- der Mouse USA: {ihnp4,decvax,akgua,utzoo,etc}!utcsri!mcgill-vision!mouse philabs!micomvax!musocs!mcgill-vision!mouse Europe: mcvax!decvax!utcsri!mcgill-vision!mouse mcvax!seismo!cmcl2!philabs!micomvax!musocs!mcgill-vision!mouse ARPAnet: utcsri!mcgill-vision!mouse@uw-beaver.arpa "Come with me a few minutes, mortal, and we shall talk."