spaf@gatech.CSNET (Gene Spafford) (07/30/85)
(My apologies to readers of net.news.group if you see this twice -- inews barfed when I tried to feed this to all 14 groups at once). I just recently deleted a number of newsgroups that had seen minimal or no use in the last few months. Since that time, I have gotten mail from a few people suggesting other candidates for removal based on their lack of activity. It seems to make sense that if we won't create a new newsgroup without an indication of potential use, there is no justification for keeping newsgroups which get no significant use after creation. Site "gatech" has a news history of about 3 years. That is, all our newsgroup numbering started when we came on the net about 3 years ago. Thus, I have a pretty good indication of overall activity on a newsgroup by checking our active file. The following newsgroups have had little use recently and less than 150 articles in the last three years. For many of the groups, that includes their entire lifespan. Additionally, it appears that anywhere from 1/2 to 2/3 of the articles posted to many of these groups are cross-posted to other, currently active groups. There seems to be little need to keep these groups around. Unless someone provides me with a good reason not to, I will be removing the following groups on or about August 15: net.bugs.v7 net.decus net.games.go net.lang.apl net.math.symbolic net.micro.432 net.notes net.rec.birds net.rec.scuba net.rec.skydive net.std net.theater net.usoft -- Gene "4 months and counting" Spafford The Clouds Project, School of ICS, Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 CSNet: Spaf @ GATech ARPA: Spaf%GATech.CSNet @ CSNet-Relay.ARPA uucp: ...!{akgua,allegra,hplabs,ihnp4,linus,seismo,ulysses}!gatech!spaf
abc@brl-tgr.ARPA (Brint Cooper ) (07/31/85)
I sure would like to see activity on net.math.symbolic. At the very least, I'd like to see it kept around for a little while longer. Judging a serious newsgroup like this based upon its May-Aug traffic is somewhat invalid since this is the time of low academic activity. I have been the beneficiary of net.math.symbolic on more than one occasion. It is my principal means of communication with other uses of Macsyma, Maple, and other systems. Any system that can support net.jokes on the basis of its traffic volume should be able to tolerate something like net.math.symbolic until this relatively new field catches on a little more. Cheers, Brint ARPA: abc@brl.arpa UUCP: ...{decvax,cbosgd}!brl-bmd!abc Dr Brinton Cooper U.S. Army Ballistic Research Laboratory Attn: AMXBR-SECAD (Cooper) Aberdeen Proving Ground, MD 21005-5066 Offc: 301 278-6883 AV: 298-6883 FTS: 939-6883
gws@cbnap.UUCP (Gary W. Sanders (N8EMR)) (07/31/85)
>I just recently deleted a number of newsgroups that had seen minimal or >no use in the last few months. Since that time, I have gotten mail >from a few people suggesting other candidates for removal based on >their lack of activity. It seems to make sense that if we won't create >a new newsgroup without an indication of potential use, there is no >justification for keeping newsgroups which get no significant use after >creation. > >Site "gatech" has a news history of about 3 years. That is, all our >newsgroup numbering started when we came on the net about 3 years ago. >Thus, I have a pretty good indication of overall activity on a >newsgroup by checking our active file. > >The following newsgroups have had little use recently and less than 150 >articles in the last three years. For many of the groups, that >includes their entire lifespan. Additionally, it appears that anywhere >from 1/2 to 2/3 of the articles posted to many of these groups are >cross-posted to other, currently active groups. There seems to be >little need to keep these groups around. > >Unless someone provides me with a good reason not to, I will be >removing the following groups on or about August 15: > net.bugs.v7 > net.decus > net.games.go > net.lang.apl > net.math.symbolic > net.micro.432 > net.notes > net.rec.birds > net.rec.scuba > net.rec.skydive > net.std > net.theater > net.usoft > Gene; I agree about removal of all your listed groups, but net.decus. I believe that it should stay. It seems to me (in my short net life) that net.decus has a small, but steady flow of traffic. net.decus seems to have about twice the traffic that net.usenix, but I doubt that anyone will get rid of that news group. tnx Gary W. Sanders (N8EMR) ihnp4!cbnap!gws AT&T Bell Labs (Columbus, Oh) -- test of sig file
kogeddes@watmum.UUCP (Keith O. Geddes) (08/01/85)
I would not like to see net.math.symbolic disappear. I anticipate that activity in this newsgroup is very likely to pick up substantially over the next couple of years. Those of us in the Maple group at Waterloo have not been very active in net.math.symbolic news items up until now, but given the fact that we are a very active group developing Maple and are about to distribute Maple to substantially more users than has been the case in the past, my guess is that we will find ourselves communicating much more with users of Maple, and Macsyma, Reduce, etc., through this news group.
dww@stl.UUCP (David Wright) (08/02/85)
In article <29@cbnap.UUCP> gws@cbnap.UUCP (Gary W. Sanders (N8EMR) writes: ... >>removing the following groups on or about August 15: >> net.decus ... > Gene; I agree about removal of all your listed groups, but > net.decus. I believe that it should stay. ... I too read net.decus, and find its contents of some use. It seems to be used only to announce DECUS meetings. But unlike Gary I'd be happy to see it go, IFF there was somewhere else to post such announcements - net.announce would seem a possibility so long as those meetings (e.g. many LUG meetings) which did not justify international attendance had a distribution of na,uk etc..
mazur@inmet.UUCP (08/06/85)
I too would like to see net.decus stay around, but I've been hoping that it would become a question/answer group for the DEC operating systems. Like, does anyone know of a way to assign sys$output to both a file and your terminal (this is in VMS-land)? Sure looks like a problem someone has probably already solved... Beth Mazur {ihnp4,ima,harpo}!inmet!mazur
ljdickey@watmath.UUCP (Lee Dickey) (08/09/85)
I write in favor of net.lang.apl, net.math.symbolic, and certain other low use groups. There are several points to be made: (1) One of the strengths of the net is the very existence of a large number of specialized groups. The removal of specialized groups weakens the net, and forces those who DO watch these groups to wade through a lot of other material that is of not necessarily of interest to them. (2) The maintenance cost of a group is small, expecially if the usage is small. (3) Low usage does not necessarily mean low utility.
jgd@uwmcsd1.UUCP (John G Dobnick) (08/10/85)
[Just who was that masked line-eater, anyway?] Just another factor, offered for your consideration. My impression, which could well be erroneous, is that a number of the small, specialized groups being marked for extinction are of interest to, or of major benefit to, academics. Please notice during what season of the year this extinction proposal was made. Please note that, at least where I come from, this season of the year is *between semesters*. It is *summer vacation time*. Many people are *not here*. I would think that a significant number of individual netters affected by the extinction of these groups have not yet even seen the proposal. In fairness to them, I suggest the following: 1. No action be taken on the current extinction proposal. 2. The proposal be reissued *after* the fall semester starts (say abut the 2nd week of September). As I said, for your consideration. (I am not an academic, but some of my best friends are.) -- -- John G Dobnick Computing Services Division @ University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee (...ihnp4!uwmcsd1!jgd)
spaf@gatech.CSNET (Gene Spafford) (08/13/85)
My summary of responses to this article have been posted to net.news.group, article id <813@gatech.CSNET> -- Gene "4 months and counting" Spafford The Clouds Project, School of ICS, Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 CSNet: Spaf @ GATech ARPA: Spaf%GATech.CSNet @ CSNet-Relay.ARPA uucp: ...!{akgua,allegra,hplabs,ihnp4,linus,seismo,ulysses}!gatech!spaf
pwyc@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP (Peter Chen) (08/16/85)
I am new to this group, but I too would like to see net.decus live on as a forum for exchanging ideas about DEC products. Here's my first question to fellow groupers: I want to make all my data files readable to the world (in VMS), so I do a SET PROTECTION (W:R) *.DAT;* (don't have the manual in front of me, so I could be off on the syntax), and it works fine; but the protection seems to apply only to .DAT files existing at the time the command is executed. Newer files, even newer versions of existing files, seem to lose this protection. Does anyone know how to circumvent this problem? - Peter Chen 'Get logical, don't get physical.'
epm0@bunny.UUCP (Erik Mintz) (08/20/85)
> I want to make all my data files readable to the world (in VMS), so I do a > SET PROTECTION (W:R) *.DAT;* (don't have the manual in front of me, so I > could be off on the syntax), and it works fine; but the protection seems > to apply only to .DAT files existing at the time the command is executed. > Newer files, even newer versions of existing files, seem to lose this > protection. Does anyone know how to circumvent this problem? You are correct about the protection applying to existing files only. There are two options that you can use to fix this problem. 1) SET PROTECTION=W:R/DEFAULT This will cause ANY file you create to be world readable. (put this in your LOGIN.COM) 2) Use the ACL facility of V4.x I am sure that this will allow you to fix the later version problem, but I don't think it will help the new file problem. Another alternative (unclean) is to do something like LOGO*UT == "@sys$login:logout.com" ! (do this in your LOGIN.COM) and have logout.com (in your login directory) execute SET FILE/PROT=W:R *.dat;* This will reset your protection each time you log out, and will in fact work arround the problem. On the other hand, it will go and reset the protection on each file every time you log off, regardless of whether the file is new or not. -- Erik Mintz ARPA or CSnet : epm0%gte-labs.csnet@csnet-relay UUCP: ...harvard!bunny!epm0
tihor@acf4.UUCP (Stephen Tihor) (08/20/85)
A more elegant approach is to put the files which you want world readbale in a separate subdirectory and the set its protections properly. Under V4 you can specify whatever default protections you want.
tro@adiron.UUCP (Tom Olin) (08/21/85)
Use SET PROTECTION/DEFAULT in your LOGIN.COM. Note, however, that this will affect all files, not just *.DAT;*.