[net.music] DEAD at Berkeley tradition??

rcd@opus.UUCP (Dick Dunn) (03/23/85)

> Here are the songlists from the Berkley shows ...
>  As you will see another long-stanging tradition has been 
> broken.   Last year it was the end of SCARLET-->FIRE and now China Cat-->
> I Know You Rider has changed to CHINA CAT --> CUMBERLAND.   A friend who was
> there said it surprised the shit out of everyone...

Come on!  First of all, the death of Scarlet->Fire has been much
exaggerated.  ('e's not quite dead yet (sic).)  It showed up at New Year's
Eve, for example, even though Scarlet didn't lead to fire at Red Rocks, six
months before.  Similarly, breaking China Cat and Rider is not entirely
unheard-of, just unusual since the two go together so well.

One of the interesting characteristics of the way the Dead group songs in
concert is the interaction which results between the two songs.  This is
obviously an effect of which they're aware, so they play with it.  At least
assume that it takes more than one experiment to figure out how songs will
fit together.  In fact, they can even wear us down playing with a
combination--consider the Stones->Fade Away end to the second set.  If I
NEVER hear that combination again at the end of a second set, I'll be just
as happy, and a lot of other D'Heads feel that way too.  The segue from
Stones to Fade Away is so natural that it's surprising they didn't find it
right away, but it's also somehow overly clever; so is the Fade Away
ending.  Together they just don't wear well, so they're likely to be a
shorter-lived "tradition".

Finally, why is anyone "surprised" at something different?  Everything they
do is different; some of it is just more different.
-- 
Dick Dunn	{hao,ucbvax,allegra}!nbires!rcd		(303)444-5710 x3086
   ...If you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind.

cliff@unmvax.UUCP (03/25/85)

> Similarly, breaking China Cat and Rider is not entirely
> unheard-of, just unusual since the two go together so well.

Yeah, but China Cumbie?  Can't wait for the tapes...

> In fact, they can even wear us down playing with a
> combination--consider the Stones->Fade Away end to the second set.  If I
> NEVER hear that combination again at the end of a second set, I'll be just
> as happy, and a lot of other D'Heads feel that way too.

I'd rather here Throwing Away then Throwing Peter, but both of them can almost
get on my nerves...

> Finally, why is anyone "surprised" at something different?  Everything they
> do is different; some of it is just more different.

I think it is a plot to ruin my credibility... First I tell people that it looks
like we are in for some Rocks dates (although labelled as rumor) and then I tell
people that they actually played China Cumbie!  Yowsa!

> Dick Dunn	{hao,ucbvax,allegra}!nbires!rcd		(303)444-5710 x3086
>    ...If you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind.

--Cliff

nm34@sdcc12.UUCP (nm34) (03/27/85)

> 
> > In fact, they can even wear us down playing with a
> > combination--consider the Stones->Fade Away end to the second set.  If I
> > NEVER hear that combination again at the end of a second set, I'll be just
> > as happy, and a lot of other D'Heads feel that way too.
> 
> I'd rather here Throwing Away then Throwing Peter, but both of them can almost
> get on my nerves...
> 
> > Finally, why is anyone "surprised" at something different?  Everything they
> > do is different; some of it is just more different.
> 
> > Dick Dunn	{hao,ucbvax,allegra}!nbires!rcd		(303)444-5710 x3086
> >    ...If you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind.
> 
> --Cliff

     You guys are (I hate to say it) spoiled.  Maybe if you didn't see
and hear (tapes) so many concerts you wouldn't be so picky.  They say,
'familiarity breeds contempt.'  I think its a case of too much of a good
thing.  I would be happy to hear Throwing Stones => Not Fade Away or => Black
Peter.  They both sound like interesting and probably enjoyable
combinations. 

     I know it sounds like I want no criticism of the Dead and that
everything they do is always wonderful.  Of course thats not true, but
when you consume every single piece of music they produce you are bound
to be dissatisfied.  If you are sick of hearing this jam or that, try
missing a few shows (I know you dont see every show, but you would want
to, wouldn't you).  If you smell a rose too long, you cant smell it
anymore. 


                              Andy Bindman

   "... Love's to love and not to hold.  Its been said before but never
been told."