[can.general] Call for Calm, Re: Repeated messages, Haunted News-feeds

mason@tmsoft.uucp (Dave Mason) (08/03/89)

If you see your favourite antagonist repeating arguments that you've
already brilliantly refuted, please check the Date: of the posting (the
v command in rn will show the full header) and the Path:.  If it's
more than a week or so old, and/or has
	tmsoft!mcl!ncc!...!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu
in the path, please ignore it as long lost news that's come back to
haunt us.

  It appears no-one in the Toronto backbone is keeping 2 weeks of
history file any more, so this has also occurred in other groups than
can.general.  In the other groups, the characteristic is a Path:
that's 20+ sites long.

  If the article isn't that old, then your favourite antagonist is
rehashing old material and you should feel obligated to flame them
viciously ...  such as point fingers at their heritage, disparage
the province in which they were born/live ... oops, I just realized
that that's what the articles with *content* have been lately :-). 

	../Dave

bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker) (08/05/89)

In article <1989Aug3.115302.12807@tmsoft.uucp> mason@tmsoft.UUCP (Dave Mason) writes:
|If you see your favourite antagonist repeating arguments that you've
|already brilliantly refuted, please check the Date: of the posting (the
|v command in rn will show the full header) and the Path:.  If it's
|more than a week or so old, and/or has
|	tmsoft!mcl!ncc!...!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu
|in the path, please ignore it as long lost news that's come back to
|haunt us.
|
|  It appears no-one in the Toronto backbone is keeping 2 weeks of
|history file any more, so this has also occurred in other groups than
|can.general.  In the other groups, the characteristic is a Path:
|that's 20+ sites long.

	This is a very recurrent problem in most local
	newsgroups. It happens to exercise a serious bug
	in the B News history lookup as well - so even
	if you have the article's message-id in your history
	file, you still have a good chance of ending up with
	a duplicate. Arghhhh...

	I understand that alpha C News didn't implement the
	concept of a history file keeping records of expired
	articles, so if one expired at say 5 days, then 6+
	day propogation loops could easily occur.
	I believe that the C News release DOES support this,
	so I urge people to use this feature to keep history
	records for at least 2 weeks!

	Both B News users (such as myself) and alpha C News
	users would probably benefit from the upgrade.
	There is a patch to B News which is supposed to fix
	the duplicate problem, but I can't say if it works -
	it's supposed to be effective however.
	I have ended up waiting for C News to stabilize
	with dbz et. al. and then will cut over to it on
	all my machines...

Cheers,
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