[can.general] warning: scumbags using usenet for pyramid schemes

sl@van-bc.UUCP (Stuart Lynne) (11/29/89)

In article <1989Nov28.170119.718@eci386.uucp> clewis@eci386.UUCP (Chris Lewis) writes:
>odds, aren't violating the laws of physics, and are usually regulated
>by the government, ostensibly, again, to avoid fraud.  (BTW: lottery
>winnings aren't taxable in Canada, so there isn't a revenue incentive
>for the govt.  Alcohol, on the other hand, is entirely different :-()


Certainly there is. They run them. Or at least own the companies that run
them. Ostensibly here in BC the fund's generated go to fund things like
sports, culture etc. Seems to me that if they didn't get funded by lotteries
they would end up being funded by taxes. 

Lotteries in Canada are really an alternate form of taxation. A fairly 
regressive one in that the funds are generally solicted from the types of 
people who can usually least afford it. And are hyped by slick mega buck 
advertising campaigns.


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clewis@eci386.uucp (Chris Lewis) (12/02/89)

In article <75@van-bc.UUCP> sl@van-bc.UUCP (Stuart Lynne) writes:
>In article <1989Nov28.170119.718@eci386.uucp> clewis@eci386.UUCP (Chris Lewis) writes:
>>["get-rich-quick" schemes] are usually regulated
>>by the government, ostensibly, again, to avoid fraud.  (BTW: lottery
>>winnings aren't taxable in Canada, so there isn't a revenue incentive
>>for the govt.

>Certainly there is. They run them. Or at least own the companies that run
>them. 

Lotteries (and raffles) being legal far predate Government sponsorship (or 
profit taking for whatever purpose).  So, my point still holds.

Even now, non-governmental lotteries outnumber (but don't outgross) governmental
ones.

Generalized gambling (card playing, casinos and the like) is outlawed for
a number of reasons, partially because of attitudes such as yours (ye olde
"rent money" argument - which I don't intend to denigrate per-se), and partially
because it's too damn difficult to monitor, and is *far* too likely to attract
the criminal element.

Race-track gambling is permitted, inspite of similar "rent money" arguments
for the precise reason that it *is* possible to monitor and regulate.  And
the government gets taxes paid on the profits of the race track (but not
the lucky winners...).  Of course, certain jurisdictions (eg: Nevada,
and some noises being made here) recognize the potential revenue from casinos
(and ancillary ones like tourism etc.) as outweighing the other costs.

>Ostensibly here in BC the fund's generated go to fund things like
>sports, culture etc. Seems to me that if they didn't get funded by lotteries
>they would end up being funded by taxes. 

Or, more likely, not funded at all.
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sl@van-bc.UUCP (Stuart Lynne) (12/02/89)

In article <1989Dec1.202156.13727@eci386.uucp> clewis@eci386.UUCP (Chris Lewis) writes:
>Lotteries (and raffles) being legal far predate Government sponsorship (or 
>profit taking for whatever purpose).  So, my point still holds.
>
>Even now, non-governmental lotteries outnumber (but don't outgross) governmental
>ones.
>
>Generalized gambling (card playing, casinos and the like) is outlawed for
>a number of reasons, partially because of attitudes such as yours (ye olde
>"rent money" argument - which I don't intend to denigrate per-se), and partially

I have no problem with gambling, I have a problem with the government saying
it's illegal to gamble and then setting up lotteries *AND* hyping the hell
out of them to raise funds. It's an alternate form of taxation. It certainly
isn't gambling. If gambling casino's tried to take the same percentage as
the government lotteries people would call them criminals.

>Or, more likely, not funded at all.

If it's worthwhile the government will find money for it. They find money
for things that arn't worthwhile all the time.


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