stevel@haddock.UUCP (11/02/84)
#N:haddock:33300001:000:844 haddock!stevel Nov 1 15:08:00 1984 /* Written 10:23 am Oct 30, 1984 by evans@mhuxt in haddock:net.aviation */ /* ---------- "RC modes" ---------- */ <> This net is probably the place for rc discussions until a net.models or net.rc is formed... I wonder if anyone out there has any comments on mode I vs mode II? I I will probably get back into model aviation soon as I now can afford rc (I flew ukie and ff as a kid) and have a preference for mode I as what little flying I did ten years ago was of that variety. It seems quite a bit more natural to me when it came to coordinating turns and the like. It looks like 99.9+% of the people seem to be mode II these days, so I'm having a problem finding someone to help me out. Does anyone know of a mode I pilot in central NJ? thanks in advance Steve Crandall mhuxt!evans /* End of text from haddock:net.aviation */
stevel@haddock.UUCP (11/02/84)
#R:haddock:33300001:haddock:33300002:000:251 haddock!stevel Nov 1 15:08:00 1984 /* Written 9:33 am Nov 1, 1984 by bart@ucbvax in haddock:net.aviation */ Come on. This newsgroup is NOT the place for RC discussions. Hang on to them until you get a group set up. --bart miller /* End of text from haddock:net.aviation */
stevel@haddock.UUCP (11/02/84)
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haddock!stevel Nov 1 15:08:00 1984
/* Written 3:08 pm Nov 1, 1984 by stevel@haddock in haddock:net.aviation */
The appropriate group, if created, would be net.rec.rc. It seems logical
that until there is a consensus that a new group should be created
further discussions should go there. I am going to forward the base
note over to net.rec and see what happens.
Please post all further RC articles to net.rec.
I too am interested in this so I am not speaking just to get rid
of the articles, I will be reading net.rec. See you there.
Steve Ludlum, decvax!yale-co!ima!stevel, {amd|ihnp4!cbosgd}!ima!stevel
/* End of text from haddock:net.aviation */scott@opus.UUCP (Scott Wiesner) (11/05/84)
> ... [I] have a preference for mode I as what little flying I did > ten years ago was of that variety. It seems quite a bit more natural to > me when it came to coordinating turns and the like. ... I know exactly how you feel. I flew about 10 years ago for a couple of summers, and learned an even more obscure "mode". We called it reverse mode one. Left stick was throttle/aileron, and right stick was rudder/ elevator. The argument for the seperation was not too great. Seems the "best" flier in the club (the one who taught everyone else) started out with a powered glider and a four channel radio. Of course the glider was rudder/elevator control, and when he looked at the diagram that explained how the controls were set up, he put his rudder on the left stick. Later when he graduated to a 4 channel powered plane, he realized he'd have to put his turning control, the ailerons on the left stick, and that's how we all ended up with reverse mode one. I just got restarted in RC a few months ago, and was concerned that old habits would creep in as I was trying to learn mode 2. I only ran into a problem once. I was flying along, straight and level, and decided to do a roll. The plane did this VERY strange maneuver, which scared the !*&% out of me. (I was lower than I should have been to start out with). I managed to recover, thought about it as I was trying to relax, and finally realized I'd reverted to old instincts for a moment, and had managed to do a RUDDER roll. My plane does not do graceful rudder rolls. Anyway, I still think separating ailerons and elevator makes a lot of sense, and if I get up the nerve, I'll give it a try. The drawback is that I'll be "incompatible" with the rest of the world. (We need to figure out whether net.rec is more appropriate than net.ham-radio for these discussions until we get our own group.) -- Scott Wiesner {allegra, ucbvax, cornell}!nbires!scott
irwin@uiucdcs.UUCP (11/06/84)
I responded to the base note, stating that since you had not flown R/C for several years, that you might try a buddy system with someone and see if you could pick up the mode II style of flying. You are correct in stating that %99.9 of the flyers use that mode. It is natural for those who have flown full size aircraft with tandem seating, since the throttle is usually handled with the left hand and the control stick with the right. Mode II seems to follow that technique. The base note referenced above was in another notes system at the time, but when moved here, my response did not get here with it.
irwin@uiucdcs.UUCP (11/07/84)
Jim Oddino has something in his column in the last RC Modeler, relating to Mode I, Mode II and Mode III. What you say? Mode III? Yes, that is what they are calling it. In Mode I, elevator and rudder are on the left stick, as if you were flying a two channel glider, left stick only. Then expand on that, and add throttle and aileron on the right stick. That is a Mode I set-up with four channels. Mode II has throttle and rudder left stick and elevator/aileron on the right stick. In what they are calling mode III, the throttle/aileron stick is the left and rudder/elevator on the right. This moves the pitch/roll functions to two different sticks. They say it is better than the Mode II that everyone is using. Maybe the 99.9% using II are not flying their equipment to the best advantage.
scott@opus.UUCP (Scott Wiesner) (11/12/84)
Mode III? Well, I guess I can live with calling it that. I suppose
it makes more sense than Mode 1.5 or reverse Mode 1 like we used to
call it.
I really think it makes a lot of sense to have the ailerons and elevator
seperated. I suppose part of my reasoning is simply based on the way
our transmitters are designed. The typical stick has 2 springs to control
the tension on the 2 axis of movement. In a roll for instance, you are
holding aileron some fixed amount, and moving the elevator to keep the
plane on track. Every time you give the up or down movement in mode II,
you have to fight additional spring tension. The same kind of thing
happens when you're making a landing approach, holding elevator, and
have to level your wings. It's very likely you're going to be unable to
hold the setting (alierons in first case, elevator in second) while using
the same stick to make variable motions AND fight different spring tensions
at the same time.
The problem is that nobody (percentage wise) flies this way. I feel an
obligation to teach people to fly next summer after I've had more experience
with my own planes, and I'm not sure it would be too good an idea to teach
people this Mode III when nobody else in the club uses it.
--
Scott Wiesner
{allegra, ucbvax, cornell}!nbires!scott