chris@politik.UUCP (Christopher Seiwald) (11/21/84)
Any gunslingers out there? In particular, I am interested if anyone has an opinion on the HK VP70Z. (I can get one cheap). I know 9mm is a wheeze, but that seems to be the way the world is going. Advice appreciated. -- Christopher Seiwald dual!ptsfa!politik!chris
dxp@pyuxhh.UUCP (D Peak) (12/04/84)
>> >Any gunslingers out there? In particular, I am interested if anyone >> >has an opinion on the HK VP70Z. (I can get one cheap). I know 9mm is >> >a wheeze, but that seems to be the way the world is going. >> > >> >Advice appreciated. >> >The american version is fairly boring. If you can get the detachable shoulder >stock which enables the 3-shot full auto mode type european version, it's a >lot more interesting. Verry interesting and also illegal ! You now have a short barrelled carbine which is not something you should be telling a lot of people about. I've recently seen a shoulder stock that is not "attached" to the gun and therefore is not considered a carbine(its moulded so that the hand grip rest firmly in the stock). > In the american semi-auto only version, I've heard it >rated as heavy handed... your finger will tire trying to repeatedly fire it. Agreed especially if you have small or medium sized hands. >Like the semi-auto version of an Uzi, it's one of those products which by >attempting to meet US law has lost its functional utility. By the way, you'll >find that 3 quick 9mm hits (which the VP70Z was designed to excell at) will >take someone down better than the one .45 hit so venerated by the old timers. If you use the newish "sivertip" JHP ammo the 9mm is pretty much on a par one-on-one with the .45. >There are better choices than the VP70Z for semi-auto only mode... the P9S >comes to mind, or a Devel conversion of an S&W 39, 59, 459, etc. Browning BDA etc etc however one thing that the VP70Z has over all these mention is a capacity of 18 rounds in each clip. This I suspect is one of the major reasons that people initially look at the VP70Z. Hell with two spare clips in your belt you've got your own small army. > The real >question of course, is what do you want it for? If its to save your life, >money should not be a consideration (what's your life worth?) so what does it >matter what you can get cheap? If it's for target practice, try a Ruger >Model 1. If it's all just a part of the game: > "The Guy who dies with the most toys, wins" >then why not an Ingram Mac-10 so you can rock 'n' roll? >Or if your aim is poor, try a nuclear hand-grenade. >Or for real class you could get a Thompson Center Contender and 43million >barrel conversions. Or if you prefer wheelguns, how about a Gatling Gun... >but I digress... > > Anyone know where I can buy Glaser Safety Slugs or better 9mm ammo? > Oh, pretty please? They're so hard to find. > > Sunny >-- Theoretically only police can buy Glaser Safety Slugs(thats why they are so hard to find), not I'm not sure but I would imagine that if only the police can buy them then only the police would be allowed to possess them. Need I go on ? As I mentioned earlier lots of good(really good) things are being said about "silvertip" ammo for the 9mm(expansion to .55,approx 90-95 % weight retention). Also if you hand load you could use shotshell in the larger sizes 2->00 to give you better stopping power (not like the Glaser however). I didn't notice any smiley face in your article, which is a shame because of some of the quasi-legal stuff that you mention. -- Dave Peak (pyuxhh!dxp) "He's a legend in his own mind"
dxp@pyuxhh.UUCP (D Peak) (12/04/84)
Oooooooops that should have been JSP not JHP in regards to the "silvertip"
bullets.
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Dave Peak (pyuxhh!dxp)
"He's a legend in his own mind"sunny@sun.uucp (Sunny Kirsten) (12/07/84)
> >The american version is fairly boring. If you can get the detachable shoulder > >stock which enables the 3-shot full auto mode type european version, it's a > >lot more interesting. > > Verry interesting and also illegal ! You now have a short barrelled carbine > which is not something you should be telling a lot of people about. I've > recently seen a shoulder stock that is not "attached" to the gun and therefore > is not considered a carbine(its moulded so that the hand grip rest firmly in > the stock). > > In the american semi-auto only version, I've heard it > >rated as heavy handed... your finger will tire trying to repeatedly fire it. > > Agreed especially if you have small or medium sized hands. > > >Like the semi-auto version of an Uzi, it's one of those products which by > >attempting to meet US law has lost its functional utility. I did say "american version" implying that you can't purchase (legally) the VP70Z the way the Deutcshlanders designed it to be operated as the "european version" which I also mentioned. Why should I NOT tell people what their european counterparts DO GET to shoot? This IS an international net, no? The point I'm making is that this is a truly fine weapon in europe, and highly recommended IFF you can get it the way it was designed. I wouldn't recommend owning it at all in america, with or without the (here illegal) stock. The VP70Z was designed to be a short barreled 3-shot auto carbine which can also double as a handgun. You don't drive a Ferrari on Sears tires, and you don't want a VP70Z as a handgun in the US. Its prime function is 3-shot auto. > mention capacity of 18 rounds in each clip. This I suspect is one of > the major reasons that people initially look at the VP70Z. Hell with two > spare clips in your belt you've got your own small army. Ah, but you've made the typical misunderstanding. Handguns are ONLY defensive weapons. There is never an assault situation (implied by "small army") where you WANT to be using a handgun, if there is an alternative. > >Or if your aim is poor, try a nuclear hand-grenade. > > I didn't notice any smiley face in your article, which is a shame because of > some of the quasi-legal stuff that you mention. Do I really need a :-) after mentioning a nuke HAND-grenade? Do YOU know anyone who can lob a grenade far enough to not be vaporized? Do you know of any A-bombs small enough to lob? what I was hoping to find with my request re: Glasser Safety Slugs or any ammo nearly as good, was a reference to the name and address of a company I've forgotten which used to run an ad campaign about their ammo which prominently featured the word *SPLAT* in reference to their 9mm ammo. Someone? It puts WW Silvertips to shame, but doesn't equal a Glasser round. Sunny -- mail ucbvax\!sun\!sunny decvax\!sun\!sunny ihnp4\!sun\!sunny<<EOF EOF