mauney@ncsu.UUCP (Jon Mauney) (12/04/84)
> Please note: The Constitution, for all intents and purposes, > was suspended in 1933 with HJR 192! We were at that time put into > Admiralty Jursidiction -- YOU DO OWE THE TAX if you are enfranchised! I for one would be fascinated to know what Admiralty Jurisdiction is, what HJR 192 says, how it affects taxes, and how the Congress can suspend the Constitution for 50 years. (and by the way, it is frustrating to skip through 300 lines of repeated article to find 6 lines of new material. Summarizing greatly improves your argument.) -- _Doctor_ Jon Mauney, mcnc!ncsu!mauney \__Mu__/ North Carolina State University
shad@teldata.UUCP (12/07/84)
> I for one would be fascinated to know what Admiralty Jurisdiction is, > what HJR 192 says, how it affects taxes, and how the Congress can > suspend the Constitution for 50 years. Not to steal Kathy's place in response, but I have had some study in this area. House Joint Resolution 192 of 1933 suspended the gold standard in the United States. Without a recourse to a lawful money system all United States citizens are part of a maritime venture under the limited liability for the payment of debt. Not to get too involved, it works this way: since I cannot lawfully pay a debt I am limited to tendering a thing in discharge of the debt. Without the money of the Constituion (coin of gold and silver) we are all insolvent and must deal with inland bills of trade and notes. These notes have been known for a very long time in law merchant and have been the exclusive jurisdiction of admiralty courts. So you can see why several congressmen bragged that the Constitution was suspended. In fact the Congress had no authority to do what was done. In violation of their oaths to support and defend the Constituion, these congressmen abrogated their responsibility to coin and regulate the value of our money. Warren Shadwick
dee@cca.UUCP (Donald Eastlake) (12/08/84)
I thought we went through this nonsense about gold and silver coins
already. The Constitution says that states can only authorize gold
and silver coins as money. However, this would only be in the absence
of a pre-emptive national system imposed by Congress, which is under
no such restriction. Try reading the Consititution on this point.
--
+ Donald E. Eastlake, III
ARPA: dee@CCA-UNIX usenet: {decvax,linus}!cca!deeshad@teldata.UUCP (12/11/84)
> I thought we went through this nonsense about gold and silver coins > already. The Constitution says that states can only authorize gold > and silver coins as money. However, this would only be in the absence > of a pre-emptive national system imposed by Congress, which is under > no such restriction. Try reading the Consititution on this point. > -- > + Donald E. Eastlake, III Please read Article I, Section 10 again. The Constitution here prohibits states from making ANYTHING but gold and silver coin a TENDER IN PAYMENT OF DEBTS. It says nothing about money. Take a good look at your Federal Reserve note. The note says a legal tender FOR all debts not IN PAYMENT OF debts. Then look at Article I, Section 8 wherein is stated [Congress shall have the power] to COIN money. Debate on this issue is a matter of recorded history and the representatives to the Constitutional Convention specifically struck down a clause that would allow emitting bills of credit which we now have in the form of Federal Reserve notes. "Congress ... under no such restriction"? Amendment Article X, "The powers NOT DELEGATED to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people [emphasis mine]." In other words, the Constitution is a specific grant of power to the federal government (i.e. if the power is not found in the Constitution then the federal government does NOT have that power). Your reading of the Constitution must be different than mine. This matter may be "nonsense" to you, Sir, but the full implications of these acts of usurpation have yet to be understood or brought to fruition. My hope is that the worst cases of history are not to be repeated in this nation. Warren Shadwick