kevin@voder.UUCP (The Last Bugfighter) (03/11/85)
*** The Atari scores an excellent hit...you feel delighted! ***
Epyx, a computer game company, now has both Rogue and Empire available
for Atari computers. They were announced at the Las Vegas CES show and
are adaptations of their mainframe origins.
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Kevin Thompson {ucbvax,ihnp4!nsc}!voder!kevin
"It's sort of a threat, you see. I've never been very good at them
myself but I'm told they can be very effective."freak@ihu1n.UUCP (c e malloy) (03/21/85)
> Epyx, a computer game company, now has both Rogue and Empire available > for Atari computers. They were announced at the Las Vegas CES show and > are adaptations of their mainframe origins. While I enjoy playing Rogue, and I enjoyed (past tense [we don't have it anymore]) playing Empire, two questions come to mind. 1) Will the Epyx versions be *just* like the main-frame versions? I think not. There is not enough memory on the Atari computers to run a program as complex as Rogue or Empire. The code for Rogue is over 250K. There are over 80 monsters in the version that I play. Add to that: various weapons, armor, potions, scrolls, wands staffs, rings, etc. And don't forget about the randomly generated rooms, halls, traps, and other things. It just won't fit in 48K, 64K or even in the 160K (you can get that high if you have a 128K RamPower). 2) Which version of Rogue and Empire will be released? There are as many versions of Rogue as there are machines that it runs on. There are two versions on this machine alone. And what about Empire? Which version will that be? Will they release the original (where you play against the machine) or the version that we had here (where different players played against each other)? One final comment. When I read the article in Antic about the release of both Rogue and Empire, I called 10 different places that carry Atari software. Everyone said the same thing: "Never heard of it." They may both turn out to be like BallBlaster. Lots of copies exist, but you can't buy one to save your soul. From inside the Tesseract of Clancy Malloy
rroux@spp3.UUCP (Ray Roux) (03/22/85)
> > *** The Atari scores an excellent hit...you feel delighted! *** > > Epyx, a computer game company, now has both Rogue and Empire available > for Atari computers. They were announced at the Las Vegas CES show and > are adaptations of their mainframe origins. > > --- > Kevin Thompson {ucbvax,ihnp4!nsc}!voder!kevin > Don't get your hopes up, I talked to the Epyx people at the CES show and they have no current plans to port these to the Atari. They, like many others, are taking a "wait and see" attitude. I just got a retailers information sheet from Epyx and the only new games they show available for the Atari are the two Lucas games. Hopefully Atari will be able to convince software developers that the machine isn't dead and that we users are hungry for new, GOOD, software. Has anyone seen Alternate Reality on the shelves yet? -- Ray Roux {ucbvax|decvax}!trwrb!trwspp!spp3!rroux
kek@mgweed.UUCP (Kit Kimes) (03/22/85)
Just because a software product is announced at the CES show, doesn't mean it is immediately available. Many of the games announced at the Summer CES that I attended last year were not available until almost Christmas time. I wasn't able to get Spy-vs-Spy until late November. In addition, many of the programs will be available mail order before they are available in your local store. Many of the owners of these places are real fans and make an effort to get the newest programs as soon as they are available. When did EPYX say these games would ship? They usually announce availability at the same time. Kit Kimes AT&T Consumer Products Montgomery Works Montgomery, Il. 60538-0305 ..!ihnp4!mgweed!kek
keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle) (03/22/85)
[............] >Hopefully Atari will be able to convince software developers that the >machine isn't dead and that we users are hungry for new, GOOD, >software. >Has anyone seen Alternate Reality on the shelves yet? > Ray Roux Here here! And, no, I haven't seen Alternate Reality yet, but I am hungrily awaiting same. What's the news on the Trillium stuff? Anything happening there? Keith Doyle # {ucbvax,ihnp4,decvax}!trwrb!cadovax!keithd
peterw@reed.UUCP (Peter Williams) (03/24/85)
In article <212@ihu1n.UUCP> freak@ihu1n.UUCP (c e malloy) writes: >1) Will the Epyx versions be *just* like the main-frame versions? > I think not. There is not enough memory on the Atari computers > to run a program as complex as Rogue or Empire. The code for Rogue > is over 250K. There are over 80 monsters in the version that I > play. Add to that: various weapons, armor, potions, scrolls, wands > staffs, rings, etc. And don't forget about the randomly generated > rooms, halls, traps, and other things. It just won't fit in 48K, > 64K or even in the 160K (you can get that high if you have a 128K > RamPower). I wrote a version of rogue 5.2 w/52 monsters and more armor/weapons/stuff, and it fit (tightly) on one sssd disk. I wrote it in 6502 assembly, and with a little disk action for the map generator, and the not-so-often used strings, it worked fine. I even had about 3-4k left over for other stuff I might add. Peter Williams tektronix!reed!peterw
freak@ihu1n.UUCP (c e malloy) (03/27/85)
> I wrote a version of rogue 5.2 w/52 monsters and more armor/weapons/stuff, > and it fit (tightly) on one sssd disk. I wrote it in 6502 assembly, and > with a little disk action for the map generator, and the not-so-often used > strings, it worked fine. I even had about 3-4k left over for other stuff I > might add. I did not mean to infer that it couldn't be done, only that it could not be as complex as the version that I use on that Unix machine that it runs on where I work. From inside the Tesseract of Clancy Malloy
keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle) (03/27/85)
[,............] >I wrote a version of rogue 5.2 w/52 monsters and more armor/weapons/stuff, >and it fit (tightly) on one sssd disk. I wrote it in 6502 assembly, and >with a little disk action for the map generator, and the not-so-often used >strings, it worked fine. I even had about 3-4k left over for other stuff I >might add. > Peter Williams What does it run on? Are you marketing it or giving it away? Is the source available? Keith Doyle # {ucbvax,ihnp4,decvax}!trwrb!cadovax!keithd
arnold@ucsfcgl.UUCP (Ken Arnold%CGL) (03/27/85)
In article <212@ihu1n.UUCP> freak@ihu1n.UUCP (c e malloy) writes: >1) Will the Epyx versions be *just* like the main-frame versions? > I think not. There is not enough memory on the Atari computers > to run a program as complex as Rogue or Empire. The code for Rogue > is over 250K. There are over 80 monsters in the version that I > play. Add to that: various weapons, armor, potions, scrolls, wands > staffs, rings, etc. And don't forget about the randomly generated > rooms, halls, traps, and other things. It just won't fit in 48K, > 64K or even in the 160K (you can get that high if you have a 128K > RamPower). The Epyx versions will be virtually identical to 5.3 rogue, distributed with 4.2bsd.
mzk@homxa.UUCP (Michael Zvi Krumbein Consultant ) (03/28/85)
> I wrote a version of rogue ... 6502 machine lang.
Um .. for what machine? You wouldn't be interested in selling it (is that
legal ? ) for a , um, nominal cost so that we can, um, get some work done,
would you ?
BTW, does anyone know how or if one can get the Tech. Ref. Manual (ATARI).
(& the 1200XL supplement) -- I haven't yet managed to get through to ATARI.axk8358@acf4.UUCP (>> Alex Kriger <<) (04/03/85)
/* acf4:net.micro.atari / peterw@reed.UUCP (Peter Williams) / 10:48 pm Mar 23, 1985 */ In article <212@ihu1n.UUCP> freak@ihu1n.UUCP (c e malloy) writes: >1) Will the Epyx versions be *just* like the main-frame versions? > I think not. There is not enough memory on the Atari computers > to run a program as complex as Rogue or Empire. The code for Rogue > is over 250K. There are over 80 monsters in the version that I > play. Add to that: various weapons, armor, potions, scrolls, wands > staffs, rings, etc. And don't forget about the randomly generated > rooms, halls, traps, and other things. It just won't fit in 48K, > 64K or even in the 160K (you can get that high if you have a 128K > RamPower). I wrote a version of rogue 5.2 w/52 monsters and more armor/weapons/stuff, and it fit (tightly) on one sssd disk. I wrote it in 6502 assembly, and with a little disk action for the map generator, and the not-so-often used strings, it worked fine. I even had about 3-4k left over for other stuff I might add. Peter Williams tektronix!reed!peterw /* ---------- */ When I noticed your note and a question whether you market it, or give it away, I eagerly looked through the rest of responces, but there was no answer Please answer. I would love to get a copy (trade?) Alex Kriger. axk8358@acf4 (sorry, I do not know the whole path) but maybe my consequent notes would help!) I hope you do respond.
axk8358@acf4.UUCP (>> Alex Kriger <<) (04/03/85)
/* acf4:net.micro.atari / axk8358@acf4.UUCP (>> Alex Kriger <<) / 8:00 pm Apr 2, 1985 */ /* acf4:net.micro.atari / peterw@reed.UUCP (Peter Williams) / 10:48 pm Mar 23, 1985 */ In article <212@ihu1n.UUCP> freak@ihu1n.UUCP (c e malloy) writes: >1) Will the Epyx versions be *just* like the main-frame versions? > I think not. There is not enough memory on the Atari computers > to run a program as complex as Rogue or Empire. The code for Rogue > is over 250K. There are over 80 monsters in the version that I > play. Add to that: various weapons, armor, potions, scrolls, wands > staffs, rings, etc. And don't forget about the randomly generated > rooms, halls, traps, and other things. It just won't fit in 48K, > 64K or even in the 160K (you can get that high if you have a 128K > RamPower). I wrote a version of rogue 5.2 w/52 monsters and more armor/weapons/stuff, and it fit (tightly) on one sssd disk. I wrote it in 6502 assembly, and with a little disk action for the map generator, and the not-so-often used strings, it worked fine. I even had about 3-4k left over for other stuff I might add. Peter Williams tektronix!reed!peterw /* ---------- */ When I noticed your note and a question whether you market it, or give it away, I eagerly looked through the rest of responces, but there was no answer Please answer. I would love to get a copy (trade?) Alex Kriger. axk8358@acf4 (sorry, I do not know the whole path) but maybe my consequent notes would help!) I hope you do respond.
mcb8391@acf4.UUCP (mike b) (04/09/85)
hello there.... i dont know if you saw the earlier note i left you,
but i would be interested in buying a copy. Would love to have rogue
at home. Thnx.
Mike Bassman