[net.music] 2-Way Messsages, Kate Bush, Fairlight Synths & Beatles

nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (Doug Alan) (03/28/85)

>	From: Lippard@his-phoenix-multics.arpa (James J. Lippard)

>	Creating things like this would probably be no more difficult
>	than creating palindromes (which is pretty hard, the farthest
>	I've ever gotten is "tear gas is a great").

I'm not incredibly impressed with the fact that "number nine" backwards
sounds like "turn me on dead man", because neither "number nine" nor
"turn me on dead man" seem to have a whole lot of meaning.  The
phenomenon was probably discovered accidentally by the Beatles while
listening to tapes backwards.  Maybe they were listening to tapes of
converstaions backwards and suddenly heard the words "number nine" and
decided to use it on their album.  I'm pretty convinced, though, that
the phenomenon was used intentionally in "Revolution 9".  There is LOTS
of backwards stuff in "Revolution 9" -- there is at least backwards
piano music and backwards baby cries.  It seems quite unlikely that,
considering all the backwards stuff in it, they wouldn't have listened
to it backwards and noticed that "number nine" backwards still sounds
sort of like forward speech.

>	I'm inclined to believe that most of this stuff is
>	unintentional, though, and that people are just imposing their
>	own meaning on it.

Certainly some things of this nature are unintentional and just as
certainly, some are intentional.  People who say, "Rubish!  No one ever
puts backward messages on their albums!"  are being just as dimwitted as
those who find secret messages in everything.

The two-way message on Kate Bush's song "Leave It Open" is inarguably
intentional, as I will explain soon, and much more impressive.

>	From: marno@ihuxm.UUCP (Marilyn Ashley)

>>		I'm inclined to believe that most of this stuff is
>>		unintentional, though, and that people are just imposing
>>		their own meaning on it.

>	I certainly have to agree.  When I read the book "Helter Skelter" the
>	author, Vince Bugliosi, insisted that Revolution 9 carried the phrase
>	"block that nixon" in reference to the political situation in America.
>	After all these years, it still sounds like "block that kick" to me.

>	I'll bet the Beatles (and other groups) must have had agood laugh at
>	some of the interpretations made on their music.

Just because a lot of people make rediculous claims, doesn't mean that
all claims are unreasonable.  The claim that "block that kick" is really
"block that Nixon" seems ludicrous to me (unless I'm not listening at
the right place).  It sounds to me clearly and plainly without a doubt
like "block that kick".  On the other hand, to claim that the Beatles
NEVER put any death of Paul clues on their records is just as ludicrous.
There is at least one.  Ever listen to the song "Glass Onion"?  Some of
the lyrics are

	I told you about the Walrus and me, man
	You know that we're as close as can be, man
	Well here's another clue for you all:
	The Walrus was Paul

Please don't tell me these lyrics are only my imagination.  Other things
are of a much more questionable nature.  Does O.P.D. on Paul's arm on
"Sgt. Pepper's" really stand for "officially pronounced dead"?  Etc.?
Anyone who would claim that these things are definitely intentional or
definitely unintentional is probably being thick-headed.

>	From: jcjeff@ihlpg.UUCP (jeffreys)

>	There ACTUALLY seems to be MORE idiots who play records backwards!!!

>	What kind of jerk plays records backwards anyway ?????? 
>	If that isn't STUPID enough, they THEN try to determine some
>	*Hidden Meaning* or *phrase* out of the garbage they hear!!!!!

>	..........Time to GROW-UP kiddies.

Your intelligent, witty, and thoughtful comments on the subject matter
are greatly appreciated.  It's nice to know that the net is filled with
such open-minded, experienced people in all fields of knowledge.  I now
realize that all the people I know who play with things like palindromes
and ambigrams are just totally brain-damaged.  I wish you success in
your destiny to become a telephone sanitizer.

Which brings me to what I really want to talk about.  The two-way
message on Kate Bush's song "Leave It Open" is certainly not imaginary
and is completely intentional.  At the end of the song a voice comes in
singing "We let the weirdness in!"  If you play this backwards, the
voice sings "And they said they wouldn't let me in."  This to me is much
more impressive than the thing on "Revolution 9" because the two
messages are quite meaningful and very appropriate.  Not only that, but
the backwards message has the opposite meaning of the forwards message.

I think that it would be incredibly difficult to design this sort of
thing in the same way one does a anigram because you can't play around
with it easily on paper unless you know a lot about phonology and even
then, the field of kowledge of how sounds combine to make words is not
very well understood yet.

Also, the message on "Leave It Open" sounds very processed.  It has
backwards sounding edges in it both forwards and backwards.  I don't
know a whole lot about the Fairlight CMI synthesizer, but I do know that
it's Kate Bush's main instrument these days and allows you to sample
sounds with a microphone and then play them back at any pitch.  [I just
saw a video tape of a TV show on the making of Peter Gabriel's fourth
album.  It shows him going to a junk yard to tape sounds of TVs being
smashed and wind blowing through pipes and then shows him feeding these
sounds into his Fairlight and fiddling around with them.  It was really
neat!] Does anybody know anything about these things?  Do they allow you
to interpolate between two sounds?  Could you feed in a guitar sound and
a car door slamming sound and ask it to create a new sound that sounds
like a cross between the two?  It couldn't do this by just adding
together the sounds, because then you just get a sound that sounds like
a guitar playing while a car door is slamming.  You would get two voices
rather than just one that sounds like a cross between the two.  If it
can do this sort of thing, maybe the message was created by putting the
sound of Kate singing "We let the weirdness in" and a backwards
recording of her singing "And they said they won't let me in" and asking
it to combine the two into one voice.  Maybe after all this, it would
still sound comprehensible in either direction.  Anyone think this is
reasonable or know otherwise?

There is lots of evidence that this two-way message was intentional.
First of all, it sounds very convincing!  The meanining of the message
forwards perfectly summerizes Kate Bush's attitude towards life, and the
fact that the message backwards has the reverse meaning seems quite
unaccidental.  Furthermore, Kate Bush herself has claimed that she likes
to put hidden things in her albums to reward those who who listen to it
really closely.  Another example of this is her KT logo, which appears
somewhere on all of her albums, but sometimes in very hard to find
places.  For example, on "Never for Ever", the KT logo appears carved
into the stem of the bleeding rose.  And on "The Dreaming" it appears
hidden in the pattern of Kate's shirt.  This is a quote from Kate Bush
which appeared in "Break-Through" which reprinted it from the "The Kate
Bush Club" (Kate's own newsletter):

	Leave It Open
	-------------

	Like cups we are filled up and emptied with feelings, emotions
	-- vessels breathing in, breathing out.  This song is about
	being open and shut to stimulus at the right times.  Often we
	have closed minds and open mouths [jcjeff, pay attention! --
	Doug] when perhaps we should have open minds and shut mouths.

	...

	Every person who came into the studio was given the "end
	backing-vocals test" to guess what is being sung at the end of
	the song.

	"How many words is it?"

	"Five"

	"Does it begin with a 'W'?"

	It is very difficult to guess, but it can be done especially
	when you know what the song is about.

	I would love to know your answers.

	-Kate Bush

Why is Kate pointing out this specific part of the song?  Could it be
that she is giving us a hint that she has done a neat hack here?

				"With my ego in my gut
				 My babbling mouth would wash it up,"

				Doug Alan
				 mit-eddie!nessus
				 Nessus@MIT-MC

Benjamin%PCO@CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA (Paul Benjamin) (03/29/85)

> Does O.P.D.  on Paul's arm on "Sgt.  Pepper's" really stand for
> "officially pronounced dead"?

The Beatles themselves laid that one to rest.  It's really O.P.P.
(Ontario Provincial Police).  They picked it up on a Canadian tour or
somebody sent it to them or something and they decided it'd look spiffy
on a uniform.

nessus@MIT-EDDIE.ARPA (Doug Alan) (03/30/85)

>	The Beatles themselves laid that one to rest.  It's really
>	O.P.P.  (Ontario Provincial Police).  They picked it up on a
>	Canadian tour or somebody sent it to them or something and they
>	decided it'd look spiffy on a uniform.

The third letter doesn't look like any "P" to me.  But I have heard some
say that it stands for "Ontario Police Department".  In any case, just
because The Beatles said that they weren't hinting at the "death" of
Paul, doesn't mean they weren't.  John Lennon also maintained that "Lucy
in the Sky with Diamonds" doesn't stand for L.S.D.

I'm not convinced either way.

			"Wide eyes would clean and dust
			 Things that decay, things that rust
				(But now I've started leraning how)
					I keep them shut
					I keep them shut"

			Doug Alan
			 mit-eddie!nessus
			 Nessus@MIT-MC

lborsato@watdcsu.UUCP (L. Borsato - DCSU) (04/02/85)

> >	The Beatles themselves laid that one to rest.  It's really
> >	O.P.P.  (Ontario Provincial Police).  They picked it up on a
> >	Canadian tour or somebody sent it to them or something and they
> >	decided it'd look spiffy on a uniform.
> 
> The third letter doesn't look like any "P" to me.  But I have heard some
> say that it stands for "Ontario Police Department".  In any case, just
> because The Beatles said that they weren't hinting at the "death" of
> Paul, doesn't mean they weren't.  John Lennon also maintained that "Lucy
> in the Sky with Diamonds" doesn't stand for L.S.D.


	As someone who has lived in Ontario for much of his life,
	and has seen many too many OPP officers, I can assure you
	that that crest on Paul's shoulder does indeed read 'OPP'
	and stands for Ontario Provincial Police. This is probably
	because Ontario is a province and that is our police
	department (much like the State Troopers in the U.S.).


-- 


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                       Larry W. Borsato


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