[net.micro.atari] --- ST competition

nep.pgelhausen@AMES-VMSB.ARPA (01/10/86)

I wish people would stop saying that they "can't help thinking of
a $400 computer as a toy".... It's not the PRICE that makes a toy
computer, but the capabilities!

Anyway.  A recent msg mentioned that the C-128 will give the re-located
ST a stiff competitor, stating that it can run CP/M programs.  If I 
remember right, there is a CP/M emulator for the ST (somewhere), similar
to the PD-DOS emulator claimed for the Amiga.  N'est pas?

		-Richard Hartman
		max.hartman@ames-vmsb
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info-atari@ucbvax.UUCP (01/10/86)

As I understand it (COMPUTE! Oct. 1985 article) CPM-68K is not "emulated" --
it IS the basic operating system, and the GEM "Desktop" user interface runs
on top of it.  Why they don't give the owner access to CPM-68K free instead
of charging $300 bucks more for "special software and documentation" I don't
quite understand if COMPUTE!'s description of the situation is accurate,
but I am sure the hacker community will save us all the $300 by providing the
necessary information in the public domain.

By the way, does anybody know if the K-Mart Special will include disk drive?
Mouse?  RS-232 and Centronics ports?  RGB or composite monitor outputs?  I
heard that it would include a TV modulator, which makes me think maybe not
the normal monitor outputs (although the little 800XL has both composite and
RF outputs).

						-John Sangster
						jhs at MITRE-Bedford.ARPA

uh@unido.UUCP (01/12/86)

Here in Germany a CP/M-80 Emulator is distributet free (!!!) by
the ATARI dealers. Nice thing. Wordstar and Turbo ran fine (with
some  screen output patches). Speed: about 2 MHz,
thats the speed of the standard Microsoft Z80-Card in the Apple.
Atari Germany sent the program to her dealers, mentioning that
it can be given away to every 520ST owner. Availibility: since
November !!!!!

     Uwe Hoch
     Computer Science Department, University of Dortmund
     4600 Dortmund 50, P.O. Box 500500, W.-Germany
     E-mail address UUCP: ...seismo!unido!uh

uh@unido.UUCP (01/17/86)

In addition to my last reply:

I'm able to post the CP/M-80-Emulator to the net (if our system administrator
allows this) but there is some great problem:

The emulator has its own floppy disk format and there is NO formatter program
with the emulator. The only way to make working CP/M-80 disks is, to copy
the distributet CP/M-80 floppy disk as a whole under TOS and then delete the
files on it. So the emulator is worthless without this floppy.

     Uwe Hoch
     Computer Science Department, University of Dortmund
     4600 Dortmund 50, P.O. Box 500500, W.-Germany
     E-mail address UUCP: ...seismo!unido!uh

dfk@unido.UUCP (01/18/86)

  > I'm able to post the CP/M-80-Emulator to the net (if our system
  > administrator allows this) 

To avoid understandable flaming: None of our users has to seek special
permission before posting things. But we don't mind considerate users
asking befor they put out nx100KB of sources.

  > So the emulator is worthless without this floppy. 

I know some things about CP/M Disks myself.
I guess we will write a short program that runs under TOS and writes
a CP/M disk image with a CP/M Kermit on it. There are some TOS<->CP/M
file conversion programs on that emulator disk, but we couldn't get
them to run properly.

Any suggestions on how to handle this are welcome. We are not CP/M
experts.

Is this really not available in the US?


-Daniel Karrenberg 	<dfk@unido.uucp, dfk@unido.bitnet>