[net.social] Wedding Party: Responses :long

eagan@phoenix.UUCP (Marianne D. [Sarno] Eagan) (07/20/84)

Below are the responses I received about my questions.
Thanks to all of you who have responded. I have gotten both view points,
which is what I was looking for. If anyone wants to hear future responses
I may yet receive on this subject please let me know.
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who care's if you wore a cast to a wedding?  Peg and Dave
showed me shots of their wedding, including "that old car"
that drove them away - it's the little things like casts and
cars  and tripping on the gown that are remembered, not all
the smiles and congratulations and everything.  Gee.  Maybe
I'll get a cast just for my own wedding!

about the shoes - one would wonder why a person just couldn't
wear a certain style of shoe?  if it was because of foot problems
(hamstring problems for high heels, foot got rolled over by a steam
roller and all you could wear were swim fins, etc) that would be
the bride's responsibility.  If it was because you thought them ugly
(doesn't sound like that from the article) then it would be yours
to grin and bear.  

people take weddings far too seriously.  They should be fun things,
like a get together with your friends for pizza or something not
something planned to the micrometer and with no room for fun.
Incidentally, I *hate* wedding pictures by professionals (too posed).
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These are tough questions to answer because there's such a wide
range of approaches to weddings -- from very traditional to 
deliberately unconventional.  As a participant in a wedding, I
guess it's your responsibility to understand how the couple feels
about these things, and accept it or decline to participate.

Therefore, the only thing the wedding couple could do that would be
*really* unfair would be to lead you to believe you could do one
thing, and then change the rules on you at the last minute (as you
say they did with the shoes).  If your account is accurate, I agree
with you there.  They should let you wear what they told (or
implied to) you was OK, or pay for something else.  

Regarding the cast, that's the type of thing that can't be covered
by the above rule, since it's so unexpected.  The key questions are
how different would you have looked (i.e., how much of the regular
outfit could you have worn), and would you have affected the
procedings in any other way (i.e., slowing things down or having to
sit due to crutches).  If the only difference was that a cast would
be showing, your friend would be plain rude to object.  But if you
would have been unable to wear, say, half the outfit, or would have
interfered with the procedings, your friend would have a right to
object.  In that case I think your friend should at least split
your financial loss since you're both equally to "blame".

Again, my personal values, *which I wouldn't impose on your friend*,
are much looser.  I'd like a slightly formal wedding but can't see
myself caring about shoes as long as they're nice and the
right color.  Regarding the cast, if I chose someone to be in my
wedding, I'd let them participate even if they were in a
wheelchair.  As a matter of fact, I'd consider it a favor on
their part to participate while having to wear a cast.  
I'd enjoy the pictures more thinking of their devotion to me.
And to kick them out would be incredibly rude and self-defeating
given that I wanted them in the wedding in the first place.

These are very interesting questions.  I'm interested in others'
opinions, and your reactions to mine.
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Ask Dear Abby; pettiness is her specialty.
 
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I just got married a month ago. We had a total of five couples
standing up for us. The girl's age were between 12 (my daughter)
to the mid thirties. The sizes of the dresses were between a
size 6 - 16. We finally decided on a dress. The girls were
able to have more of the choice of the dress, being it was
THEIR dress in the long run. (The girls paid for their own)
I, of course, had the final say; Their choice was fine with
me and did go with my wedding dress. Our biggest problem
was dealing with one of the groomsmen. He is in a wheel chair.
The fact of the chair itself was not our problem, but how to
place him so he wouldn't have to go up that one step. It
worked out OK. The minister had the solution, and all went well.
The bridesmaid with him was only worried about her long dress
getting caught in the wheel. He had been a close friend of my
husband for years. We never thought to exclude him because of
his handicap.

Getting to the deposit. If the bride and groom asked for you
to drop out, they ought to have given you back the deposit.
If you dropped out, without giving them any warning, maybe
they didn't have it to give back. If you were FORCED to drop
out, by your own choice or theirs, they still ought to have 
paid it back.

About the shoes. If the bride was told 5 months in advance
about a problem, she ought to have tried to settle it then
and there. I kinda said already what I thought about my girls.
It was their dress. The shoes, in my wedding, was not important;
The dresses were to long and full for most to see anyway.

Going as a guest any way -  That is strictly on how you feel.
If after the hurt feelings, you really want to be there to support
them, by all means attend. Love conquers all hurt feelings.
It is their day after all. If you being there will enhance,
go for it.

Just try to realize that the bride is under a lot of pressure and
brides get STRANGE. I was told after words that I was a real 
b..ch. As a whole I am not a bad person. It is now a standing
joke with us all, although I feel guilty about it.

Keep faith in people. Pressure will do some strange things. Not
just the pressure of the wedding, money, time, and having all
eyes on the couple; The pressure of "Am I doing the right thing?
Will I make my spouse happy? Will he make me happy?" can make
good close friends or relatives enemies. At times you take
your anger out at the one who doesn't deserve it. 
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cast question: I would be offended if dropped from the
wedding party because of a cast.  Wedding is an important
and "once in a lifetime" occasion because of the people
who are there to share it with you, not because of what
they look like in the pictures.  In the years to come,
I could look at the picture with my "casted" friend, and
remember it, most likely, as funny.  However, if I were
dropped from the wedding party, I would never, under any
circumstances, request a refund of the deposit from my friend.
I would , however, reconsider whether she was indeed my friend.

shoe question: My feeling is that, for the duration of the wedding,
everyone should do everything in  their power to accommodate
the wishes of the bride and groom.  I myself don't ever wear
heels, and don't know how to, and I've had bursitis in my
shoulder, so I know it hurts.  However, I would still go out
of my way to wear the shoes the bride wanted me to wear --
after all, how bad could it be for just the duration of the
wedding and the picture taking.  After that hour or two, I would
change to more comfortable shoes.

On the other hand, if I were the bride, and one of the
bridesmaids informed me that there is absolutely no way she
can wear certain shoes, I would say, "Of course, wear something
else", but I would expect reasons better than the ones you've 
listed.

Weddings in general provide so much stress on the bride and groom,
however, that as a potential member of the wedding party, I would
try to be as accommodating and unobtrusive as I possibly could.
I would try to ease the pain the shoes were causing me by feeling
honored for being picked to participate in this very special event.

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You asked for our opinions, so here goes.  I think anyone that
would drop a person for the reason that a cast would ruin the
photographs is a jerk supreme.  Would they also drop you if you had a bandaid
on your forehead?  Would they not select you if you were handicapped in
a visible manner (e.g., scoliosis, cleft palate, etc.)?  How far away is
dropping (or not selecting) someone because they are not "pretty" enough?
If this friend was truly concerned and sensitive, s(he) would at least
arrange the photographs so that the cast was hidden or at least not
prominent (personally, I wouldn't care if it showed).  A compromise can
always be made.  I think there are probably other motives and this is a
convenient excuse.  As for the shoe question, I think the answer is the same
(but then you should probably be exclude because you have an "abnormal" shoe
size :-).  You should question whether this person is truly a "friend".

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The Dear Abby column frequently uses letters about situations
whev%a problem arose because because of a bride's (or bride's
parents') desire that the wedding should "look" perfect.  There
seem to be many people who feel very strongly about the
appearance of a wedding, and much less about people's feelings.

If it is any consolation to you, many other people have been
hurt for similar reasons.  If your "friend" doesn't act like this
most of the time, maybe you won't have to give up the friendship.
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Sounds like you have a problem...
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All these problems having arisen, I would doubt that there is real
friendship between the person experiencing them and the one (presumably)
getting married, if the latter did not respond for such a long time, and
when a response came, it was as you described.  If this indeed be the
case, why does the invitee bother so much going to that party, and
does not instead drop the whole thing?

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Both questions are the same -- "Is it reasonable for the bride to drop
someone at the last minute because they would ruin the photographs?" I, myself,
think it is NOT reasonable but I have found that other people think it is!
I would certainly be more than miffed if I had paid for an outfit.

Given that the bride is insistent on having the bridesmaids match in all
ways, I think the whole argument could be much more amicably settled if
she offered to pay the deposit that the bridesmaid had put down on the outfit.

Weddings bring out all sorts of weirdnesses in people. I had a recent
discussion with a bridesmaid who was not only concerned about the shoes looking
the same in the photographs, but she was concerned that the photos would
"look funny" because all the bridemaids were not the same height.

I like Anita's remark that you should consider a bride harmlessly mentally
deranged at wedding time.
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In my opinion, your friend thinks more of the style of
the wedding than he thinks of the wedding itself.
He wasn't asking you because you are a valued friend,
but because you met his sense of style.

What would I do?
If I had asked someone to be in my wedding, and they
broke their leg I would still include them.  And I 
would modify the ceremony as needed so they could participate
Much in the same way I would modify the ceremony if I
asked a friend who was in a wheelchair.  The style of
the event is not as important as the friends you choose
to share it with.
For the shoe's question, same thing applies.  I may have
asked the whole party to change to a different shoe
that was available in sizes for everyone.

Now, if I were asked not to participate due to broken leg
or wrong shoes:
-- well, a lot depends on how important the friendship is
to me.  The "disinvite" would certainly put a strain
on things, but I would respect that it IS his wedding,
and he has the right to do things as he wishes.