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diego@cca.UUCP (Diego Gonzalez) (01/03/86)

             I originally wrote to the net concerning extra-marital
        activities of males vs. women's considerations in marriage in the
        hopes of rekindling discussion in the net.  At that time, I had
        not re-read Hite's books.  Since the topic has proven interesting
        to at least some NET.SOCIAL readers, I will recheck and print the
        actual excerpts from the two reports.

             When it first struck me that there might be a consistent
        difference between the expectations of partners in marriage and
        the reality (developed out of numerous conversations with male
        and female friends), I checked the best source of statistics that
        I knew of - the two Hite reports.  I was disappointed to discover
        that her approach had changed, at least in the presentation of
        information revealed by her surveys.  As a result, there are not
        directly corresponding statements regarding male and female
        extra-marital activities and attitudes.

             My impression was (note that I am not offering this as
        fact), however, that since women probably do not regard their
        fathers as "philanderers" but rather as [almost] idealistically
        upright and faithful (in the common sense).  (The term "father"
        can be taken to mean _f_a_t_h_e_r _f_i_g_u_r_e, which would include any male
        whose character and attitude toward mother or other female might
        be admired.) I think that the fairly broad attitude of women in
        the U. S. is something like:  "My father was faithful to my
        mother (only) and I expect my husband/SO to be likewise to me."
        In light of the 70% figure in Hite's report, I wonder if the
        basic anticipation is not at least a little naive.

             Anyhow, I will check the actual entries and post them to the
        net.  Perhaps that will remove some of the apples-oranges sense
        that the issue currently has.

diego@cca.UUCP (Diego Gonzalez) (01/10/86)

> 
>		. . .
>            Anyhow, I will check the actual entries and post them to the
>         net.  Perhaps that will remove some of the apples-oranges sense
>         that the issue currently has.
> 

             I promised you some better statistical information if I
        could find it on the frequency of extra-marital relationships
        among men.  According to the breakdown on page 1096 of "The Hite
        Report on Male Sexuality" (Knopf, 1981), here are the figures.

                   Years           No extra-       Did have
                  married         marital sex   extra-marital
                                                     sex

                     0-1             84%           16%
                     2-5             24%           76%
                     6-10            38%           62%
                     11-15           29%           71%
                     16-20           29%           71%
                     21-25           20%           80%
                     26-30           29%           71%
                     31-35           26%           74%
                     36+             30%           _7_0%
                                     Average:      66%

                     Married two years or more, average:  72%

             The disappointing news is that although the report on
        women's sexuality (at least on one questionaire) had asked about
        women's extra-marital sexual activities, the report findings are
        presented in a different style and there was no summary of
        responses.  It is not possible to say, then, what percentage of
        women had had extra-marital sex based on data available to me.
        If some NET.SOCIAL readers have seen some reliable figures, I'm
        sure it would serve the interest of this discussion.  It would
        also be interesting to know what women's perspectives are towards
        the facts of men's extra-marital sexual relations.  (By the way,
        the figures as presented give a years-of-marriage orientation to
        the statistics.  If you mapped out the implicit age groups
        (roughly, based on the 1981 publication date), you would also see
        an interesting variation based on social morays of the respon-
        dents developmental eras.)

             I noted that in several responses, netters referred to
        "cheating" when discussing extra-marital sexuality.  While I ac-
        knowledge that in many minds the terms are equivalent and inter-
        changeable, there is a judgemental connotation to the term
        "cheating" which clouds people's response to the concept.  I
        would contend that if an overwhelming majority of males engage in
        an activity that is publicly disapproved (at least superficially)
        that the issue is far from trivial.  It seems to represent a
        behavioral compulsion that crosses economic, social, and reli-
        gious boundaries and yet is not generally accepted as commonplace
        in our society.

             I brought the issue up in the first place because I feel
        that there is a tendency, in human society, to "look away" from
        certain known facets of life.  (For example, look at California
        and its Evolution/Creation textbook controversy.) Evidence that
        is ignored in deference to more comfortable "beliefs" cannot
        change what that evidence implies.  It seems only to delay our
        using knowledge to our advantage.  If the majority of divorce,
        say (and I am not at all sure that this is the case), were due to
        "infidelity" of the male partner, perhaps fidelity in the sense
        of sexual monogamy is not a useful interpretation or expectation.

             In a comment I posted last week, I tried to point out that
        my reason for including the information regarding women's seeking
        mates like their fathers was to point out an apparent incon-
        sistency.  If one assumes that a large proportion of women expect
        sexual monogamy on the part of their partners and that this
        characteristic is consistent with their views of their fathers
        (or father figures), then the 70% must be ignored or unknown to
        most women.