jjc@houxa.UUCP (J.CARBONARO) (02/11/86)
<Well, if its the play I'm thinking of, Mcmahon not only called the snap, <but also threw the ball at the ground, out of bounds. Now, I've never <heard of this 10 seconds off the clock rule, but any way you slice it, <the Bears get to kick the F.G. If the Pats were off side, then the ball <is moved and the Bears get one more play. If the Bears are off side, then <since the half cannot end on an offensive penalty, they get a play. If the <refs dont call either team off sides, then McMahon gets an intentional <grounding penalty, and one more play. If they don't call anything, then its <an incomplete pass, and stops the clock with three seconds left, and you <guessed it, one more play. I credited McMahon with some quick thinking <so that no matter what, they would get the F.G. in. I didn't think it <was bad officiating at all < Addison < ihnp4!ihlpa!ibyf I HONESTLY hate to sound like a know-it-all. I realize that, usually, these questions are a matter of opinion and NOone is right or wrong. Here it comes.. But in THIS case, you're wrong. Seriously, the OFFICIALS themselves even admitted they made a mistake. Patriots (or Bears) being offside would not have been a legitimate call. The referee gives both teams a "reasonable" interval to get ready. HowEVER you define "reasonable", the ref decided it wasn't yet time. He was watching both teams and PREPARING to signal to the Bears that it was OK to snap the ball. He never came close. McMahon called for a snap and threw it out of bounds with 3 seconds to go. The rule STATES that a 10 second (and, I THINK 5 yd) penalty is assessed. If such a rule doesn't exist, ANYone would use that trick close to the goal line to kill the clock (who cares about 5 yds when you're at the 5 yd line?). Again, the point is - the ref had not yet signalled it was OK to snap the ball - something he HAS to do before it's legal. It would have made a difference in the game (yea', it would have been 43-10)
eagle@ihlpg.UUCP (John Blumenstein) (02/14/86)
> <Well, if its the play I'm thinking of, Mcmahon not only called the snap, > < . > < . > < . > <was bad officiating at all > > < Addison > < ihnp4!ihlpa!ibyf > > I HONESTLY hate to sound like a know-it-all. I realize that, usually, > these questions are a matter of opinion and NOone is right or wrong. > Here it comes.. > But in THIS case, you're wrong. Seriously, the OFFICIALS themselves > even admitted they made a mistake. Patriots (or Bears) being offside > would not have been a legitimate call. The referee gives both teams > a "reasonable" interval to get ready. HowEVER you define "reasonable", > the ref decided it wasn't yet time. He was watching both teams and > PREPARING to signal to the Bears that it was OK to snap the ball. > He never came close. McMahon called for a snap and threw it out of > bounds with 3 seconds to go. The rule STATES that a 10 second (and, I > THINK 5 yd) penalty is assessed. > If such a rule doesn't exist, ANYone would use that trick close to the > goal line to kill the clock (who cares about 5 yds when you're at the 5 > yd line?). > Again, the point is - the ref had not yet signalled it was OK to snap > the ball - something he HAS to do before it's legal. > > It would have made a difference in the game (yea', it would have been 43-10) I have a tape of the game and Jim McMahon was down with 18 seconds left but a patriot held him down and the officials did not do anything. A quick pass play would have stopped that clock but the patriots stalled. Forget it. A remark of the so called obvious clip - forget it. My tape shows that he was hit in the front/side and fell with a twisting motion to look like a clip in reqular speed. Many people said the game was boring - I say it was the greatest game/Superbowl I ever saw. These people must also think a perfect game in baseball is also boring. I wish it was 46-0 bears! -- John T. Blumenstein ihlpg!eagle -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sulu: "They say she has transwarp drive." Scotty: "Aye, and if my mother had wheels she would be a wagon."