[net.politics] religion and government

trc@houti.UUCP (07/11/83)

Response to Paul Dubuc on religion and the Constitution:

There probably were some christian influences at in the writing of the 
constitution.  But I would claim that the writers were far more influenced 
by the attitudes and thoughts of the "Age of Reason".  After all, there 
had already been over 1700 years in which the principles of Christianity had 
time to be fully applied, through many governments that explicitly accepted 
the authority of Christianity.  Why is it that none of these came out like 
the US government??

I would suggest that in fact, those earlier governments, and the Catholic 
Church as they were in the Dark Ages *are* the natural form of government 
under Christianity, and that only when that form was modified to include 
some elements of reason (rather than mysticism), did the more just form of
government emerge.

Consider what the bases for absolute laws in the Judeo-Christian tradition
are.  The Old Testament provides two possible sources - the Ten Commandments,
and Jewish law, which I believe is supposed to be based mostly upon the
Commandments.  None of these laws are derived from a fundamental principle 
- all are claimed to originate from God, for no specified reason, by 
revelation.  Some laws were, of course derived from these basic laws.  
This is not to criticize all of the laws that came out of this system, 
but merely to point out that they were accepted upon the basis of mysticism, 
rather than a unifying moral principle.

The New Testament essentially replaced the old laws.  It does not claim
to destroy the old laws - merely complete them, presumably without negating
its fundamentals.  The New Testament appears to be an attempt to provide
the consistent basis in principle that was lacking in the Old Testament. 
The basis can be summed up in two words - Mysticism and Altruism.  Christians
were to put nothing above God, and once they got that priority right, they
were to "Love one another".  Under this new scheme of morality, Love was
presented as the basis - God's love for humans being the original reason
for this.  It is interesting to note that the ultimate expression of God's
love required him to allow the murder of his own son - symbolic of the
surrender of his highest value - to pay for the sins of humans that did not
deserve to have their sins paid for.  That is altruism.  In Christianity, 
"Love" is used as a code word for altruism.

Thus, any government based upon Christianity must be based upon Mystic
Altruism.  In fact, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution
do contain elements of altruism and they probably were justified on religious 
grounds.  However, I consider that these elements are flaws, that have allowed 
the slow degeneration of the government to its' present state.

To re-use a metaphor,  Christianity planted the seeds of the weeds of 
bad/big government that eventually grew in the cracks of the structure 
of the US Constitution.

	Tom Craver
	houti!trc