[net.politics] Bill of Rights and Star Chambers

trc@houti.UUCP (08/23/83)

Response to Larry Kolodney:

First, I dont know that I am addressing the Bill of Rights - I do not
know whether this is a case of the courts directly interpreting the
Bill of Rights as they see fit, or of merely enforcing an explicit
law.  I am assuming that there is an explicit law.  If not, I think
that the courts are mis-interpreting the point of the Bill of Rights.
And from that, I think that there should be an explicit law, or even
a constitutional ammendment, if necessary.  Frankly, I doubt that it
would be - the Supreme Court has reversed positions on Constitutional
matters before, when their understanding of the law changed.

Secondly, I would not agree that the Bill of Rights gives the guilty
the *same* rights as the innocent.  As I pointed out in my original note,
accused criminals are presumed innocent until guilty.  Once they are
found guilty, they *definitely* lose civil rights - by being put in jail, 
or even executed.  They may still have some protection, but that protection
is limited.  I agree that you only said the Bill of Rights protects the
guilty, but the implication is that it gives the *same* protection.  This
is simply not true.

My argument was not so much from a constitutional point of view, as from
the view of questioning "What is right?".


Response to ssc-vax!sts - Stan tlh:

As I said before - I doubt that the civil rights charges would frequently be 
pressed in "borderline" cases - so the officers would have some lattitude, 
but would also have to be always aware of that border.  If policemen commit
crimes, they are guilty, and should be treated as such.  The question of 
whether civil rights are now too extensive is another matter.

	Tom Craver
	houti!trc