[net.politics] Jim Balter

danc@tekecs.UUCP (Daniel Cobb) (09/09/83)

Jim Balter has a manner of expressing his opinion that really doesn't
belong on this net.  The emotional response he is becoming famous for 
completely obscures the orginal argument and discourages others from
responding to his comment.  For example, read the following:

So what the f*ck would you have done?  Bombed the Soviets into the stone
age to make them less barbaric?  Or spent 10 times as much of our GNP on
building bombs?  If we had a billion more nuclear weapons than we do now,
would the Soviets be any less barbaric?  You cannot "dominate (contain)"
the Soviet Union in a nuclear world because you cannot use nuclear weapons
to advantage.  

I did not propose that we bomb the Soviets, or that we spends 10 times as
much for the building of bombs, or that we amass a "billion" more nuclear
weapons in order to make the Soviets less barbaric, or that we endeavor to 
contain them by starting a nuclear war.  Jim begins to calm down somewhat 
and a less emotional opinion finally surfaces:


Personally, I think the only long-term way to survive with the Soviets is to
*assimilate* them.  Instead of barring travel between the two countries,
as the current administration is doing, we should be opening it up as much
as possible.  Provide the American people with as much information about
Russian culture as possible (we won't turn Commie any more than school
children are turned gay), flood the Soviet mailboxes with pen-pal letters,
send more 11-year olds to Moscow, pretend we're friends, as we did with
China.  Start more joint scientific, exploratory, deep sea, etc. ventures;
let them buy their pipeline parts from us; get them beholden to us.


What you are proposing now is generally defined as detente.  The idea sounds
great, but we have tried "detente" before with the Soviets. Their version of 
detente means that they engage in treaty negotiations that we later find out
they had no intentions of fulfilling.  They simply negotiated the treaty so 
that we would be limited by it. The list of SALT treaty violations by
the Soviets is endless, and when we approach them with specific violations, 
they respond as they have the to Korean jet atrocity: with outright lies and 
rhetoric. Their version of detente allows them unimpeded adventurism throughout
the world while we sit dreaming about the benefits of peaceful coexistence.
During the years of "detente", Ethiopia, Angola, South Yemen, South Vietnam,
Laos, Cambodia, and Nicaragua to name but a few, were all lost to Marxist/
Communist governments.  Indeed, Afganistan was invaded by the Russians 
themselves.  At the moment, all of the countries given threaten the stability 
of neighboring countries that are friendly to the West.  The number of people 
that have died at the hands of pro-west dictators is totally overshadowed by 
the millions of people that have been killed by the Soviets or governments the 
Soviets have installed or support.  Indeed, although I wish as much as anyone 
that we could pursue REAL detente with the Soviets,  whenever we have tried, 
the world has paid for it in blood.  While we were engaged in cultural 
exchanges, they or their surrogates were rampaging about Africa, Central
America, and the Middle East and Southeast Asia toppling governments where
possible and executing the former leaders.  FACTS DON'T LIE. 


Peaceful co-existence with the Soviets
is an impossibility.  I wish the same could be said for nuclear war.

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