diy@sb1.UUCP (09/03/83)
100% agreement with Tom O'Conner's statements concerning the KAL 007 incident. I have a question for any of you far-righters out there in netland:::: WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST WE DO???? Since this incident I've heard lots of rhetoric from them (from Helms to even Mrs. McDonald) but not one has said yet "I feel we should...". If there arw sugestions from them, please inform me. One thing that stuck with me was the statement made by one of the guests on Nightline. I'm sorry that I can't remember his name, but I do remember that he isa member of the State Dept. Anyway, he stated that no matter what options we pursue, we must keep in mind that the Russians are on this planet also, and like it or not, we must continue to talk to each other, if nothing else . Ted Koppel asked Helms to respond to that statement. Helms, who just moments before flamed about the evil, viciousness, etc. etc of the Ruskies, never answered the question. He flamed on about the evil, viciousness, etc of the Ruskies. I believe that those like myself, definitely not a far-righter, never thought the Russians were anything but untrustworthy. But I never thought they were out and out STUPID!!! NO justification can ever be given for what they did. I just have to believe that someone got awfully, awfully careless. I realize of course that O'Connor was right, they will NEVER explain the whole thing. And when I think about, didn't we go this same period of shock when they invaded Afghanistan??? Mayhap they think that like that episode, this too shall pass??? I like the suggestions that Tom made regarding retribution, but I hope that when we do something it's not just SYMBOLIC, but really gets their attention! BY THE WAY...As of the time of this writing, Mr. Reagan has yet to appear!!! It was a nice speech he passed on to Larry Speakes, but it sure would have been nice to see him make it himself. According to a report filed by Sam Donaldson that I heard on the radio yesterday (9-1), the President was to continue his plans for horseback riding. D Young
eich@uiuccsb.UUCP (09/05/83)
#R:sb1:-13000:uiuccsb:11000001:000:1927 uiuccsb!eich Sep 4 06:17:00 1983 But the problem is that if we aver that, sharing a planet with the Russians, we should therefore continue to talk to them, we soon find that little gets done. This is depressing (how many Max Kampelmanns are there out there--willing to spend weeks in Madrid trying to hold the line on the Helsinki accords when the Sovietskis are ready to say Right, then we're agreed, everything's fine). So to avoid depression we define detente in soothing terms, while Brezhnev and his theoreticians and strategists quite openly define it in aggresive terms. We fancy a fresh hope whenever one of the senescent brethren in the Kremlin finally croaks (A New Generation of Soviet Leaders! Think of it, a Communist Camelot!). We (some of us) hold a mirror up when looking east (American anthropologist and eight-year-old Samantha Smith: "They're almost...just...like us!"). Yuri Andropov, for a brief while, was rumored to be a liberal (you know how many liberals head totalitarian state intel- ligence committees...). And then... and then... like Jimmy Carter after Afghanistan we in the west are forced by circumstance to face the fact that the USSR is, while not the focus of evil, the principal heavy on the stage. But pish-tosh! 250 civilians? Peanuts!! Why aren't we constantly benumbed, by Labor camp statistics and histories, by Poland, by Yellow Rain? Why aren't there big coffee-table books like the ones on the Holocaust devoted to the victims of the Soviet state? The ideological engines that propelled fascism into the Second World War are dead; why don't we face the fact that World War III is being waged right now, against a quite vital, peculiarly virulent ideology [because it's unfashionable?]. All this shall pass, I'm afraid, and we shall resume the hopeful, struthian policy that, each time we re-inaugurate it, gets us in deeper. The problem is when we get in too deep, there will be fighting. -be
eich@uiuccsb.UUCP (09/05/83)
#R:sb1:-13000:uiuccsb:11000002:000:121 uiuccsb!eich Sep 4 06:21:00 1983 As a conscientious right-winger, I SUGGEST WE STOP SELLING GRAIN TO THE USSR. Any takers? Didn't think so... -be
cozadde@trsvax.UUCP (09/16/83)
#R:sb1:-13000:trsvax:40500011:000:920 trsvax!cozadde Sep 9 18:54:00 1983 Someone asked for a suitable response to the murder of 269 civilians over Soviet occupied Sakhalin island and here is my suggestion. The U.S. should setup a world wide effort (it can be unilateral) to place all Soviet diplomatic personnel under house arrest for 269 days. This house arrest will require that any Soviet personnel must have a police escort to leave their residences for any reason whatsoever including going to buy food, hospitalization, or other emergencies. Any viola- tion of their house arrest will result in their immediate deportation as an undesirable (illegal activity) guest. I think this would shut down Soviet espionage systems for awhile and that would hurt them badly enough that they would pay attention to world opinion concerning mass murder of cilivians. lt. of marines ...microsoft!trsvax!cozadde ...laidbak!trsvax!cozadde ...ctvax!trsvax!cozadde
akt@mcnc.UUCP (09/19/83)
U.S. should setup a world wide effort (it can be unilateral) to place all Soviet diplomatic personnel under house arrest for 269 days. This house arrest will require that any Soviet personnel must have a police escort to leave their residences for any reason whatsoever including going to buy food, hospitalization, or other emergencies. Any viola- tion of their house arrest will result in their immediate deportation as an undesirable (illegal activity) guest. great!! then the russians can put all u.s. diplomats under house arrest. and we can continue to trade antics from now until the second coming. there is a town (glen cove, n.y., i believe) that does not let russian diplomats use the local beach. pressure from the u.s. state department was of no avail. the russkies responded by denying beach facilities on the volga to u.s. diplomats. also, it is illegal to arrest diplomats. they have diplomatic immunity, remember? akt at ...decvax!mcnc!akt p.s. no flames please that do not address this particular issue. i think the russian act was reprehensible, and has *no* defense.