[net.politics] English House of Lords and socialism

mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) (09/23/83)

England hasn't been ruled by the House of Lords since te days of
Elizabeth I (about 400 years ago). She had an awful lot of trouble
trying to persuade the Commons to give her money to pay for defence
against the Spanish Armada etc. Granted, at that time and for a long
time thereafter (discounting the Commonwealth period), Lords had
quite a big say in running England (later the United Kingdom as well).
Lords haven't had much power as a group (politically, anyway), for
over a hundred years. Nowadays, they can't reverse most decisions
of the Commons, or (I think) even delay money bills.

Another point, Most members of the House of Lords (at least active members)
are no longer hereditary. The Labour (i.e. socialist) government a few
years back decided that it would be a good idea to make the Lords
useful, and started creating what they call "Life Peers", who are
sometimes political hacks, but more often experts in something that
can be useful to the country.

The United Kingdom is sometimes socialist, sometimes not. Certainly
it isn't ruled by socialists at present, and it looks as though they
may well be out of power for a very long time. But politics is
funny, isn't it!

If we start using terms like "democracy", "socialism", "oligarchy"
and so forth very precisely, we will have to invent new ones to
describe the way real countries are actually governed. In my books,
Britain is as close to a democracy as exists among major countries,
despite being a monarchy and having a strong class structure. It has
other problems, but lack of political power for the masses is not
one of them.

Martin Taylor