[net.politics] Chile

grunwald@uiuccsb.UUCP (09/14/83)

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uiuccsb!grunwald    Sep 13 18:40:00 1983

   I have a question that I hope some of the older members of the net might be
able to answer.

   In the current issue of "In These Times", a newsweekly aimed towards
indpendent socialists, there is an article about the current unrest in Chile.
In the article, they mention that at the time Allende was assinated, there
was a significant majority who did not support his programs.
   Many of the unions and conversative parties felt that he would be too
radical of an influence on the country. It mentions that one party, the
Christian Democrates were ploting a coup to dispose Allende, even at the
expense of Chiles 136 years of democracy.
   Many of the parties who now oppose General Pinochet were supportive of
him at that time:

	He said he was "happy, because I thought the
	military was saving the country...later I
	realized - and deeply regretted - that they
	were turning the country into a strong
	dictatorship and that I would be called on to
	lead the opposition against the very ones I was
	so happy to see take power"

				original qoute from In These Times, July 13
				this qoute taken from ITT sept 14

The preceeding quote was by Rodolfo Sequel, the leader of the Copper Union, one
of the groups now opposing the Pinochet government.

SO. Anyway, my question is: What evidence is there that the CIA or any american
body instrumented the assination of Allende in '73? I was just a little squirt
back then and didn't really care about the situation in Chile. Since then, I've
been trying to find information on it, but haven't had the chance to consult
any of the more recent books on the matter.

myers@uwvax.ARPA (Jeff Myers) (09/17/83)

Ah, I was hoping someone out there knew where Chile was.  uiucdcs!grunwald
has something in common with me and many of our companero netters out there --
in 1973 we were little squirts and didn't give a damn about what little the
US media told us about events in Chile.

Mr. Grunwald's article really struck home to me,  for a set of reasons.
First, my first research paper here at the UW-Madison focused on Chile,
during which time I caught up on what I had missed when I was 14.  Second,
10 years ago last Sunday, the Presidential palace of Chile was strafed and
bombarded by the Chilean air force when it contained only Presidente Salvador
Allende and those few close advisors who chose to die with him.  He had sent
the Presidential guard and everyone he could convince to go away before the
assault began.  The brutal military coup which brought Chile Augusto Pinochet
occurred on September 11th, 1973.  Third, the entire last week here in
Madison has been devoted to a series of activities in remembrance of that
event, when the aspirations of the Chilean people to control their own destiny
was cut short.  A number of speakers have appeared; academics, a member of the
Christian Left in Allende's government (Luis Maira), Allende's Minister of
Mining and close economic advisor, various exiled members of the Chilean Left.
Fourth, I just got back from a showing of the movie "Missing", which describes
the events surrounding the execution of Charles Horman by the Chilean military
(with probable knowledge and approval by US officials then in Chile), and his
wife's and father's search for him.  What was special about this showing was
that Charlie's wife, Joyce Horman, was there to speak beforehand.  Incidentally,
she is now working in New York as, of all things, a computer analyst (whatever
that is).

Mr. Grunwald requested information about documentation on the US involvement
in Allende's overthrow.  It is extensive, and I will suggest places to look
as a start (for rabbit!jj 's benefit; I hope it makes him feel good
to be noticed).  One place to start to get an overall view of the situation
is Thomas Hauser's book, "Missing".  However, if you want to get right into
the hardcore evidence, look up the Select Senate Committee on Intelligence
Activities report on the CIA's operations in Chile.  For a laugh, read
Kissenger's memoirs.  If anyone is interested in additional references
(Mr. Grunwald in particular), I will be happy to scrounge around in my office
and provide them.  One additional point: it is not true that a VAST majority
of the Chilean people opposed Allende's government; in the 1972 elections,
after two years of Allende's administration,  44% of the votes went to the
UP coalition, up from 36% in the 1970 elections.  Allende's government was
the FIRST government in Chilean history (Chile was a democracy since about
1850) to increase its vote after two years in office.

What about Chile in 1983?  Well, it now seems certain that Pinochet's days
are numbered, but how many dead will there be before a return to democracy?
Pinochet is now universally detested, even by the CDU and the truckers who
were instrumental in his installation in the first place.  Let us hope that
true democracy returns to Chile, and that the US will not smash democracy
where it does not conform to imperialist foreign policy interests in the
future.  It is up to us to make sure that people are not slaughtered for the
well being of ITT, Anaconda copper, and Kennecott ever again.

Value life, and not rhetoric,
Jeff Myers

grunwald@uiuccsb.UUCP (09/21/83)

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uiuccsb!grunwald    Sep 20 17:44:00 1983

  How very odd. Last evening, after writing that note, I happened to
meet a friend who introduced me to a Chilean student here. He was
going to college in Chile after the Allende government was overthrown.
  From my understanding, he felt that the Pinochet government actually
had a certain amount of broad support before the recent bust years.
Prior to the last couple of years, Chile was undergoing the biggest
boon years it ever had. Unfortunetly, "the economic miricles were
sandcastles" -- the boon didn't last. This led to dissatisfaction with
the Pinochet regime.
  This bust apparently affected the upper middle class and the upper
class much more than the farmers. "The poor have always been poor and
were used to it." The wealthy had to find some way to pay back the
millions and millions of dollars in loans that they had secured. Part
of this collapse was caused by the drop in copper prices from
$1.10/pound to $.60/pound. Copper is Chiles major export, of course.

  The thing that irked him the most is the stigma that is attched to
the Allende/Pinochet/CIA affair. No western country, and in
particular, the U.S.  can offer aid to Chile. To do so would be very
bad for the public image of the country giving the aid. There is so
much bad feeling about the coup and the U.S. involvement in it that the
is just taboo to aid the current government

  It was very interesting to hear this view, particularly from someone
who does not currently support the Pinochet government.

Spoken	: Dirk Grunwald
	  University of Illinois
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myers@uwvax.ARPA (Jeff Myers) (10/01/83)

Interested in what the US did in Chile starting 20 years ago?  Well, you
can find out the minimal set of US covert action by picking up the Church
Committee Report (US Senate) at your local Federal Document Repository.
Don't have one nearby?  Uh oh, that one's been out of print for a while, so the
Fed Press won't have it.  If you can't get a copy and would like one, let me
know and we'll work something out.

The title of the report is "Covert Action in Chile 1963-1973".
The catalog number is

	[delta]Y4.In8/17:C43/963-73

The CIA has received most of the public criticism for its activities there;
many feel that the CIA was used partially as a scapegoat for the DIA, which was 
also active in Chile.

Jeff Myers	@Madtown