[net.politics] Life in America - response to Pamela Troy

garys@bunkerb.UUCP (Gary Samuelson) (10/06/83)

Pamela Troy has written a scenario of "Life in a Judeo-Christian
America."  I find it to be an imaginative piece of futuristic fiction.
If I were to write an article in the same style dealing with the
present and future restriction of Christians' rights in a "secular
humanist" America, I expect I would be accused of attacking a straw
man, hate mongering, having irrational fears, and the like.

On the basis of Pamela Troy's expressed fears, secular humanists will
no doubt believe that they should attempt to suppress even further
the rights of Christians to express their beliefs.

Under present law, Christians do not have the same rights as secular
humanists, atheists, agnostics, or even witches.  Consider the
following:

In some towns, it is illegal for Christians to have regular Bible
studies in their homes, without a permit.  It violates zoning
ordinances, and if people complain (which they have, in some cases),
the Christians can be ordered to desist.

It is illegal to pray in a public school.  (This may be technically
incorrect, but that is the way the general public perceives the law.)

It is illegal to teach that the world was created by an intelligent
creator in the public schools.  But it is legal, and practically
mandatory, to teach that the world originated as a result of random
(unintelligent) processes.  Neither statement can be scientifically
verified or disproved, but one cannot be taught in public schools,
and the other can.

It is illegal to teach Christian moral values in public schools.
But it is legal to teach anti-Christian moral values.  And if you
are going to claim that the school don't, or shouldn't, teach
any moral values, I submit that it is not possible to avoid
teaching some set of values.

I graduated from a privately operated, religiously affiliated college.
At that college, it is illegal to hold Bible classes in certain
buildings, because those buildings were constructed in part with
money from federal grants.  Well, you say, the supplier of funds can
attach whatever stipulations he, she, or it desires.  Fine, I don't
want any state run university which was partially funded by my money,
either in the form of tax dollars or donations, to teach such-and-such.
What's the difference?

In the job market, Christians are discriminated against if they won't
"play the game," which means lie, cheat, and steal like everybody
else.

In politics, Christians are discriminated against in that if they
advocate laws which conform to their values, they are accused of
"forcing their beliefs on others."  Yet if non-Christians advocate
laws which conform to their values, that's "making use of the
legislative process."  Isn't using my tax money to pay for abortions
forcing the beliefs of pro-abortionists on me?  Don't I have a say
in what my children are going to be taught in the public schools?
Don't I have a say in what my tax money is spent on?  No, I don't,
because if I did, that would violate the separation of church and
state.

As a final, if rather ludicrous, example, consider that it is
socially unacceptable to quote the Bible in a discussion group
called "net.religion."  If you believe the Bible, that is.  If
you don't believe it, you can, of course, quote it as much as
you like for the purpose of ridicule.

Now, as for what life will be like if the secular humanists
gain all the power they want, no doubt the first thing they
will do is put all Christians in mental institutions, since
they are obviously irrational and a threat to society.

Gary Samuelson

ariels@orca.UUCP (Ariel Shattan) (10/07/83)

I will keep my comments brief


>In the job market, Christians are discriminated against if they won't
>"play the game," which means lie, cheat, and steal like everybody
>else.

Are Christians the only ones who don't lie, cheat, and steal? You mean that
there are no Christians who lie, cheat, and steal?  I find both of these
assumptions very, VERY hard to believe!

There is much more I could say about this "irrational" article, but I 
haven't the time or energy.

-- Ariel Shattan