mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) (11/24/83)
... And when did the English ever leave a colony except after a protracted colonial war? Eisenhower knew just as the Egyptians knew that once established the English would never leave. .... And how did the English ALWAYS gain a foothold in some new colony? First they send in a "private trading company", then they provoke an incident and claim that THEY HAVE BEEN WRONGED! Next the British military is sent in to "protect the lives of British subjects". The inhabitants resist the invasion and that is the justification for the conquest of the entire country because the British army cannot rest until it's stamped out the last vestige of resistance. If you think this applies only to backward nations or "heathens" then look at South Africa where Dutch-African civilians were placed in concentration camps at the turn of the century before Germany ever thought of such a thing! ======================= There is some truth in what this long article says, but some misinformation as well. Personally, I don't like Empires of any kind, British or otherwise. What I also don't like is USAmericans arguing for the purity of their foreign policies against the perfidy of the English. There seems to be a lot in common among the methods used by both in establishing and maintaining their empires. The last-quoted paragraph could be a description of US policy, except for the name of the Boers. As for the British leaving colonies without colonial wars, one of the things that makes me proud of my English background is that Britain is one of the few colonial powers that HAS left most of its colonies freely and without conflict, and which HAS been invited to help the newly independent countries to stand on their own feet. Of course, you can come up with several counter-examples, but notice that the Commonwealth Conference still goes on regularly, with Britain as a welcome (usually) member of the 40-nation group. As far as I can remember, the only countries to opt out of the Commonwealth after becoming independent have been Eire and South Africa. You might add Egypt, but Egypt never was a full colony of Britain, so it probably shouldn't be counted. You and a previous contributor mentioned the Falklands. I have serious doubts about the wisdom of that War (except for Thatcher's political wisdom), but none about its justice. Argentina had no claim on the islands except for having successfully invaded them and held them for a few weeks or months 150 years ago or so. The people on the islands are British and always have been. Did the Argentine invaders land to popular acclaim? The problem had been that Britain had been trying to find a way of GIVING the Falklands to Argentina in a way that the population would accept. Galtieri needed a macho stunt to bolster his popularity at home. Unfortunately for him, Thatcher was more macho. If there are any people with real historical knowledge out there, I have a question about the nature of nations and Empires: Is there any example in the history of the world of an independent nation that had substantially greater power than its neighbours (or other accessible countries) that has not tried to direct or govern them in some way? In other words, has any government that had the chance ever refused the temptation of imperialism? I can't think of any. -- Martin Taylor {allegra,linus,ihnp4,uw-beaver,floyd,ubc-vision}!utcsrgv!dciem!mmt