tim@isrnix.UUCP (12/01/83)
#R:dciem:-51000:isrnix:11700008:000:700 isrnix!tim Nov 30 00:08:00 1983 I agree with Martin Taylor that claims that the Peace Movement is funded by KGB agents or Russia is merely an attempt to use smear tactics rather than argue with the need for Peace these groups make. What do these critics say about the Peace Movement in East Germany which has sprung up in the churches? Is this also KGB funded? How about the spate of letters sent to the Czechoslovakian paper Rudo Pravo which questioned whether the Soviet suggestion to place more missiles in Czechoslovakia was really a move for Peace? Were these also KGB funded? Avoiding nuclear war is a problem for every single human being on this planet! tim sevener Indiana University, Bloomington pur-ee!iuvax!isrnix!tim
rigney@uokvax.UUCP (12/05/83)
#R:dciem:-51000:uokvax:5000033:000:1558 uokvax!rigney Dec 3 09:43:00 1983 No, No, No! The fact that the KGB funds certain elements of the peace movement is not a smear against the need for Peace. I'm not saying that the peace movement is wrong, just because the KGB supports it. Offhand I can't think of anything else the KGB is for which I'm for as well, but that doesn't mean I can generalize to say that if the KGB is for hampering U.S. missile emplacement, I'm automatically in favor of the missiles. Now that you mention it, whatever peace movements there are in Eastern Europe do exist by the KGB's discretion, if not direction. If the KGB didn't want a peace movement in Eastern Europe, there wouldn't be one. Likewise, if they did want one, there would be one. This isn't to say that just because there is one, the KGB is behind it. It's possible the KGB just doesn't care (Ha!), or is willing to let it exist, or support something that was already there, for their own ends. For those who would like to claim that the KGB has no control over the Eastern European nations, I can only suggest a bit of reading and research; you might start with Barron's books on the KGB, which are interesting in their own right. In fact, the Eastern European Security Services are very much under the thumb of the KGB. My information in these matters comes from a graduate seminar on intelligence (especially U.S. and Soviet) taken this term, along with additional reading, so there's considerably more than paranoia behind my arguments. Carl ..!ctvax!uokvax!rigney
mjk@tty3b.UUCP (12/06/83)
It's also interesting to note that the Soviets claim Solidarity is simply a U.S. plot to forment dissent among the Polish people. Do you believe that, too? After all, the U.S. sure is awful supportive... We must, therefore, be behind it, right? ..!ihnp4!tty3b!mjk Mike Kelly
riddle@ut-sally.UUCP (Prentiss Riddle) (12/06/83)
>> Now that you mention it, whatever peace movements there are >> in Eastern Europe do exist by the KGB's discretion, if not >> direction. If the KGB didn't want a peace movement in >> Eastern Europe, there wouldn't be one. Likewise, if they >> did want one, there would be one. This isn't to say that >> just because there is one, the KGB is behind it. It's >> possible the KGB just doesn't care (Ha!), or is willing to >> let it exist, or support something that was already there, >> for their own ends. >> Carl >> ..!ctvax!uokvax!rigney So, does Solidarity operate in Poland "by the KGB's discretion"? While I'm sure that the KGB's influence is not small and that those who participate in proscribed movements do so at considerable risk of reprisals from the KGB and many other authorities (both Soviet and, say, Polish or East German), I'm under the impression that it it is a mistake to assume that Moscow has every last detail of life in the Warsaw Pact completely under its thumb. ---- Prentiss Riddle {ihnp4,seismo,ctvax}!ut-sally!riddle riddle@ut-sally.UUCP