david1@aluxe.UUCP (01/20/84)
>>Much as I hate to say it, Gromyko summarized our country's attitude<< >>quite accurately - our administration has a pathological obsession<< >>with war.<< And the Soviets don't? Afghanistan, Syria, Vietnam, Cuba, South and Central America, Africa. The Soviets have built their war machine much beyond the need for defensive purposes. The Soviets have violated Salt1 and Salt2 treaties (I know Salt2 wasn't official, but both sides agreed to adhere to it), the Soviets have built space weapons while at the same time criticize the US for our Shuddle program's potential for military uses. You hope for someone with some form of intelligence? Like Mondale? The guy can't get an honest job, so he tries to stay in politics. Unfortunately the Soviets (they banned "1984" because it resembled their society too closely) seem to understand only power, military power. We can't be afraid to use it. Rick Nelson AT&T Bell Labs Reading, Pa.
greg@isrnix.UUCP (01/21/84)
Can you give me some examples of where the Soviets have violated Salt 1?
I have never heard of any major Soviet SALT violations. I did hear that
they violated some minor technical point and that it wasn't even a real
'violation.' I have heard some talk about their building a large radar
installation that is supposedly designed to guide ABMs, but not much on
this subject. I would love to hear more. (Also info on our new anti-satellite
weapon would be appreciated!)
"Space Shuddle"? is that a dance? What do you think would be the reaction
here if they built a shuttle that was funded primarily by their military?
And booked solid by the same? I bet it would be pretty hairy.
1984 has been banned here also.
Not trying to put the pinkos on a white horse, just want to get some
facts straight. If anyone has evidence of Soviet SALT violations I would
like to here about them so I can slam-dunk all my pantywaist liberal friends
who've been feeding me misinformation.
"I've been shooting Reds and Yellows all day and boy am I sleepy!"
--
Gregory R. Travis
Institute for Social Research - Indiana University - Bloomington, In
ihnp4!inuxc!isrnix!greg
{pur-ee,allegra,qusavx}!isrnix!gregrenner@uiucdcs.UUCP (renner ) (01/22/84)
#R:aluxe:-128000:uiucdcs:29200059:000:1419 uiucdcs!renner Jan 21 05:00:00 1984 > Can you give me some examples of where the Soviets have violated Salt 1? The United States has charged the Soviet Union with seven "violations or possible violations" of SALT II and the 1972 ABM treaty. These include charges that the Soviet Union has tested two ICBMs (SALT II allows for only one), that they encrypt more missile test telemetry data than is allowed, and that a new radar station in Krasnoyarsk (in Siberia) could be part of an ABM system (generally prohibited by the ABM treaty). The Soviet Union says that the radar station is intended to track space vehicles. [Chicago Tribune, January 20, page 8.] > "Space Shuddle"? is that a dance? What do you think would be the > reaction here if they built a shuttle that was funded primarily by > their military? And booked solid by the same? I bet it would be > pretty hairy. There is some (inconclusive) evidence that the Soviet Union is building a small shuttle. It would presumably be booked solid by their military. Our Space Shuttle certainly is not. There are 10 planned missions for 1984, of which only two are booked by the Defense Department (Challenger, July 14 and Sept.28). [Source is ultimately AW&ST, it's posted in net.space.] As to the funding of the Space Shuttle, I was always under the impression that it was paid for by NASA (could be wrong here, so mail me if you *know*). Scott Renner {ihnp4,pur-ee}!uiucdcs!renner