tim@umn-ucc.UUCP (03/28/84)
This is a flame about the University of Minnesota's Computer Science Department and the attitude about education in general in Minnesota. I am a student studing Computer Science. I have enough credits and only need 4 more classes to graduate. I attempted to sign up for all four of these classes (all were offered). The only one I got was the one that was not a CSci class. I figured, "OK, but I am a graduating senior. Surely they will let me in." HA!! I am not going to graduate. My life is being held back by this stupid piece of paper that almost impossible to get at this University. I simply cannot get the class! Let me give you some numbers. Last year there were about 1200 CSci Majors at the U of M. There are 18 professors. Many classes can have more than 90 people in them. Most any required class will have at least 65 people in it. This is insain. Think of what this does to the quality of professors at the U of M. If you were highly skilled and had your choice of where to teach, would work at a school like this? I can't understand why the good teachers who are left are here. I can understand why the dean of IT (the college that CSci is under) quit. I don't think it has been replaced yet. I can't be too hard on the U of M. They are dependant on the state for funds. The percentage used for education in the state is falling. I think this is a great state, but I think that it in trouble. It is not going to get all the high tech business that is so important to it if it doesn't get it's act together. The only reason that I have for not transfering today, is that I have a job here that I don't want to and can't afford to give up. Another school in the Minneapolis area is an idea, but it might be nice to graduate from a school with a good reputation. Money and politics of the good state of Minnesota are slowing up the developement of the computer systems here. What students use here is a Cyber 820 running NOS. Students are issued account that validate them for 300 baud or slower. The editor they use is call xedit (an OK line editor, but still a line editor). The pascal on this computer will not read a string without using special functions or by some other method I never understood. It must read two charictors at a time. It is the worst pascal I ever used. People tell me that it is the origional... it is real close to be sure. Money is needed for a better system. Yes, we do have a cray. To use it you submit jobs to it from a cyber or a VAX. If an undergrad student wants to use it, he/she can buy an account. A grad student can buy an account or apply for a grant. The University uses a little over 3% of the computing power. The University and outside business put together use 33%. The governor of this state is pushing us to get some more super computers. While it might draw some people and companies, I think impoving some other things is more important. There are two reasons for writing this. 1) I am preventing my ulcer by venting some steam, but 2) more important, I hope to save some people from transfering here. I am a transfered to here. I am considering going back to Michigan Technical University. If I had done that last summer, I would be graduated by the end of last fall!!!!! Tim Giebelhaus {umn-cs tektronix}!umn-ucc!tim Giebelhaus.CTCOTA@HI-MULTICS
rfg@hound.UUCP (R.GRANTGES) (03/29/84)
Tell you what, Tim: Why don't you go back to Michigan. Maybe they will give you advanced standing. Hurry. And while you are there, take a course or two (or three) in English (the non-computer language). Glad you told us your background. For a minute there I was afraid they had forgotten how to teach English at the U. Perhaps it is only fair to let you in on the big secret that everyone else at the UofM learns as a Freshman:Register Early! Get in line before 5 a.m. if possible. Sorry no one told you, but I guess there are some things one has to learn for himself. Dick Grantges (IT '53) hound!rfg
spaf@gatech.UUCP (Gene Spafford) (03/29/84)
Two comments: The problems you describe are not unique to the University of Minnesota. There are many schools suffering from a lack of adequate computing resources and a shortage of qualified instructors. We see many of the same types of problems here at Georgia Tech. Most of the university administrators understand the kinds of difficulties we face, but the political situation is such that little can be done about some of the problems involved. One of the solutions taken here is to limit the number of undergraduates allowed into the major; we could easily find 2 or 3 times as many students who would like to enter the program, but the quality of education would suffer. It's like thrashing -- performance goes down exponentially with linear increase in load. The solution? I wish I knew. A first step is to complain, loudly and forcefully -- to the politicians and to the college administration. Don't blame your faculty, and don't be too quick to blame the system at your campus. Often the blame can be placed higher up the organizational chart, usually with the legislators who allocate funds based more on political effect rather than good sense. After all, many of the students are from out of state and the ones who aren't don't usually vote. Furthermore, politicians want results which will be seen before the next election -- not 10 or 20 years down the line. We have had, and continue to have, a very serious problem in this country with regards to education. Our elected officials seem to believe that pumping money into the military is better for the country than supporting education. Supporting education is really supporting our future. The cost of one fighter plane could refurbish all of the research labs at a major university. The result could have effects on our defense, our economy, and perhaps our future as a species. Instead, what does our government do? They cut out loan and scholarship programs for students. They reduce research funding and grants. They spend more time debating whether to allow prayer in school than they spend trying to support the teaching of *real* knowledge. Maybe more scientists and educators should dirty their hands with politics. Maybe we should form political lobbies. Maybe we should hurry up and figure out a way to get off-planet and start our own society. BUT, one thing we should all do -- express our concerns and our opinions to our governmental representatives. Maybe enough noise will produce some results. Second comment: I realize that your original article was written in haste and anger. Did you bother to proofread it before you sent it? If so, then I hope that the non-computer science course you are taking is one in English composition. Or were you just trying to emphasize your point about the declining quality of education at the U of Minn? -- Off the Wall of Gene Spafford The Clouds Project, School of ICS, Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 CSNet: Spaf @ GATech ARPA: Spaf.GATech @ CSNet-Relay uucp: ...!{akgua,allegra,rlgvax,sb1,unmvax,ulysses,ut-sally}!gatech!spaf