wetcw@pyuxa.UUCP (T C Wheeler) (03/27/84)
[] My heart bleeds for you. Had to kick in for two quarters of education. Who the hell are you that you think you are OWED money for education? Why don't you get that chip off your shoulder and wake up and smell the coffee? (I know it's a mixed metaphor, but who cares). I'm getting disgusted with all of these mealy mouthed wimps who seem to think the public coffer is a bottomless gold mine. Can't they do anything for themselves. Dammit, I shoveled snow, washed cars, dug ditches, and busted my hump to pay for my education. There were no free lunches when I went to school. Yeah, I know what your saying, "Oh, one of those OLD bastards who is always trying to put us down". Well, maybe I am, but I am a damnsite more proud of what I did to get an education than most people. Get off your hump and do something if you want an education. I'm damned tired of paying for the education of sniveling little wimps who want everything handed to them on a silver platter. T. C. Wheeler
ted@teldata.UUCP (Ted Becker) (03/28/84)
*********** RIGHT ON Mr. Wheeler. I am one of those old farts who paid his own way through school and I am getting damn tired of paying for other people's "entitlements".
kalm@ihuxw.UUCP (James ) (03/28/84)
Eat it, bug. I suppose that your life story will be played by James Cagney. -- Jim Kalmadge - AT&T Bell Labs IX 1c415 8-367-0475 (312) 979-0475 ihuxw!kalm
agust@spuxll.UUCP (Agust K Gudmundsson) (03/29/84)
[sacrifical line .. bleed bleed whimper ..] >free lunches when I went to school. Yeah, I know what your saying, >"Oh, one of those OLD bastards who is always trying to put us down". >..... T C Wheeler I agree with your comments but, Please keep in mind that some of us young bastards are still putting ourselves through school. Just Another Icelandic Cowboy Agust K. G.
chenr@tilt.UUCP (Raymond Chen ) (03/29/84)
<Eat it>
Re:
My heart bleeds for you. Had to kick in for two quarters of education.
Who the hell are you that you think you are OWED money for education?
Why don't you get that chip off your shoulder and wake up and smell
the coffee? (I know it's a mixed metaphor, but who cares). I'm
getting disgusted with all of these mealy mouthed wimps who seem to
think the public coffer is a bottomless gold mine. Can't they do
anything for themselves. Dammit, I shoveled snow, washed cars, dug
ditches, and busted my hump to pay for my education. There were no
free lunches when I went to school. Yeah, I know what your saying,
"Oh, one of those OLD bastards who is always trying to put us down".
Well, maybe I am, but I am a damnsite more proud of what I did to
get an education than most people. Get off your hump and do something
if you want an education. I'm damned tired of paying for the education
of sniveling little wimps who want everything handed to them on a silver
platter.
T. C. Wheeler
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Hey, bud ... Have you ever tried shoveling $14,000 worth of snow a
year in order to get a top-notch technical education ?? Besides, you
should be GLAD to HELP US PAY (in most cases we're not asking for
a free lunch, just a little break) for our education, that way
25 years from now, WE can pay for your social security/retirement/
whatever govt. services and tax breaks that you'll be getting (not
to mention doing work that will keep society running instead of
hanging out at the welfare office) !!
Signed,
On the edge of poverty ...
--
From the Random Fingers of --
Ray Chen
{allegra | ihnp4 | mhuxi}!princeton!tilt!chenr
"It's amazing what a thousand monkeys and a few typewriters can accomplish..."renner@uiucdcs.UUCP (renner ) (03/31/84)
#R:pyuxa:-64600:uiucdcs:29200113:000:857 uiucdcs!renner Mar 30 15:23:00 1984 /**** uiucdcs:net.politics / tilt!chenr / 9:13 pm Mar 29, 1984 ****/ > Hey, bud ... Have you ever tried shoveling $14,000 worth of snow a > year in order to get a top-notch technical education ?? Besides, you > should be GLAD to HELP US PAY (in most cases we're not asking for > a free lunch, just a little break)... If a little break is all you want, then you should be happy. Student loans are still available to anyone if they are independent of their parents, if their family makes <$30,000, or if they can demonstrate need. Of course, these are loans, not outright handouts, but that's what you want, right? (By the way, I'm a graduate student living fairly well on Mike Kelly's "$8000 less 20%." I financed my undergraduate education through student loans; now the rock owns a piece of me.) Scott Renner {ihnp4,pur-ee}!uiucdcs!renner
lkk@mit-eddie.UUCP (Larry Kolodney) (04/04/84)
From holt@parsec: "I'd rather invest in the state universities." AND WHO DO YOU THINK SUBSIDIZES THE STATE UNIVERSITIES? THE TAXPAYERS, THATS WHO. -- Larry Kolodney (The Devil's Advocate) (USE) ..decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!lkk (ARPA) lkk@mit-mc
kechkayl@ecn-ee.UUCP (04/06/84)
#R:pyuxa:-64600:ecn-ee:13400007:000:207 ecn-ee!kechkayl Mar 29 21:37:00 1984 AMEN!! (Sigh, sounds like net.religion! :> ) I'm a 4th semester sophmore, and I'm PROUD of the fact that I've paid for all of it myself! Thomas Ruschak pur-ee!kechkayl "Aiee! A toy robot!"
andrew@inmet.UUCP (04/06/84)
#R:pyuxa:-64600:inmet:7800077:000:1037 inmet!andrew Apr 5 21:23:00 1984 > Why should we the > taxpayers, pay >14k for you to go to a "prestigous" school? I'd rather > invest in a state university, and to my knowledge, none of the state > universities cost >14k. In other words, you feel that the "prestigious" schools should be reserved for those who can afford to go to them, thus perpetuating the existing inequities in the class structure. I suppose that in an era when elitist, materialistic trash like "The Preppy Handbook" can top the best-seller lists, such attitudes can resurface as well. Incidentally, has anyone considered that broadening the educational base (by subsidizing high-quality education to anyone capable of benefiting from it) is an investment in this country's future rather than a waste of tax money? Andrew W. Rogers, Intermetrics ...harpo!inmet!andrew 733 Concord Ave. ...hplabs!sri-unix!cca!ima!inmet!andrew Cambridge, MA 02138 ...uw-beav!cornell!esquire!inmet!andrew (617) 661-1840 ...yale-comix!ima!inmet!andrew
nrh@inmet.UUCP (04/06/84)
#R:pyuxa:-64600:inmet:7800079:000:2772 inmet!nrh Apr 6 01:47:00 1984 >***** inmet:net.politics / andrew / 9:23 pm Apr 5, 1984 >> Why should we the >> taxpayers, pay >14k for you to go to a "prestigous" school? I'd rather >> invest in a state university, and to my knowledge, none of the state >> universities cost >14k. > >In other words, you feel that the "prestigious" schools should be reserved >for those who can afford to go to them, thus perpetuating the existing >inequities in the class structure. I suppose that in an era when elitist, >materialistic trash like "The Preppy Handbook" can top the best-seller >lists, such attitudes can resurface as well. > Hmm.... Rather than "perpetuate the existing inequities in the class structure", by "reserving" certain very expensive things to those who can pay for them, let's by all means stop "reserving" things like: 1. Heavy machine tools -- Everybody should get these, otherwise only preppy things will be manufactured. 2. books -- never mind those subsidised libraries -- saying that those are sufficient would be like saying that state schools are sufficient. Everybody (whether they can pay or not) in entitled to all the books they want. In particular, I'd like one of the original Gutenberg Bibles, please. To deny it to me would be continue unacceptable inequality in the class structure. 3. Beluga Caviar, french champagne -- It is no doubt a horrid miscarriage of justice that the poor seldom eat this stuff. Imagine! We expect them to grow tall and strong on the rather non-gourmet foods available with food stamps and welfare budgets. 4. Mercedes Benzes. "Oh Lord, won't you buy me, a Mercedes Benz". The fact that ghetto dwellers must use beat-up old chevvies (when they have cars) is a blight on our national honor. We must end it at once. By all means, a 50-year waiting list for new Mercedes Benzes would make things a lot more fair. >Incidentally, has anyone considered that broadening the educational base (by >subsidizing high-quality education to anyone capable of benefiting from it) is >an investment in this country's future rather than a waste of tax money? I rather doubt the public universities were ever touted as "low quality" education -- I suspect their purpose was exactly the sort of investment you seem to be advocating. I find it a little silly that you're ready to conclude that the poor cannot reach the conclusion that education is good for their children. Why not, if you think the poor are being excluded, just give them enough money to go to these schools and then let the poor decide how best to use the money? I do not advocate this, but am curious. Also, just HOW do you measure who is capable of benefiting from it, and, given that some are more capable than others, how do you choose?
mwm@ea.UUCP (04/13/84)
#R:pyuxa:-64600:ea:10100021:000:1222 ea!mwm Apr 12 16:00:00 1984 /***** ea:net.politics / inmet!andrew / 10:14 pm Apr 7, 1984 */ . . . thus perpetuating the existing inequities in the class structure. Andrew W. Rogers, Intermetrics ...harpo!inmet!andrew /* ---------- */ Enough silliness, all right all ready. You seem to object to the fact that some people have more money than others, and are therefore able to *gasp* buy themselves a better quality of life. Someone, somewhere back in the ancestry of those able to afford a prestigious institution *WORKED* for that money, and their descendants have been smart enough not to piddle it away. Why shouldn't they be able to enjoy it? Better yet, if they're smart, they can arrange that their children can enjoy it, too. The major problem with "flattening out the inequalities" is where to stop. After all, being to tall/short/fat/skinny/ugly are all "inequalities," and change the quality of life. While we're mandating that everyone should have the same income regardless of work/education, why don't we make them all look alike. After all, the public can afford to pay for out of income taxes (assuming anyone is silly enough to work for an income when doing so doesn't change your income...). In favor of evolution, <mike
holt@convex.UUCP (04/13/84)
#R:mit-eddi:-153900:convex:40500027:000:530 convex!holt Apr 13 09:07:00 1984 >From holt@parsec: >"I'd rather invest in the state universities." > >AND WHO DO YOU THINK SUBSIDIZES THE STATE UNIVERSITIES? THE TAXPAYERS, >THATS WHO. >-- >Larry Kolodney >(The Devil's Advocate) I think that was the gist of my argument. Support for education is more efficient at the state level. (paid for by TAXES, of course) Is a reading comprehension test part of MIT's admittance procedure? So much for well rounded education... Dave Holt Convex Computer Corp. {allegra,ihnp4,uiucdcs,ctvax}!convex!holt
holt@convex.UUCP (04/13/84)
#R:pyuxa:-64600:convex:40500028:000:1351 convex!holt Apr 13 09:35:00 1984 >> Why should we the >> taxpayers, pay >14k for you to go to a "prestigous" school? I'd rather >> invest in a state university, and to my knowledge, none of the state >> universities cost >14k. > >In other words, you feel that the "prestigious" schools should be reserved >for those who can afford to go to them, thus perpetuating the existing >inequities in the class structure. I suppose that in an era when elitist, >materialistic trash like "The Preppy Handbook" can top the best-seller >lists, such attitudes can resurface as well. > >Incidentally, has anyone considered that broadening the educational base (by a >subsidizing high-quality education to anyone capable of benefiting from it) >is an investment in this country's future rather than a waste of tax money? > >Andrew W. Rogers, Intermetrics ...harpo!inmet!andrew Yep, I believe that "prestigious" schools should be reserved for those who can afford them. I also believe that "broadening the educational base (by subsidizing high-quality education to anyone capable of benefiting from it)" is exactly what state supported colleges and universities are all about. That is exactly what I support. That's exactly what I said that I supported in the above quoted article. Gee Whiz! Dave Holt Convex Computer Corp. {allegra,ihnp4,uiucdcs,ctvax}!convex!holt