[net.politics] A reply to Scott Renner on nuclear p

mwm@ea.UUCP (04/25/84)

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ea!mwm    Apr 25 12:02:00 1984

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Then, after 5 or 6 years of invironmental impact studies, government agency
paperwork, and planning, I will begin construction (good for 3 or 4 more
years).  Then, after at least 8 years, I should be able to produce
electricity.  IF some other cheaper method has not come along to make my
plant obsolete the day it opens.

T. C. Wheeler
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TC Wheeler has underestimated the time it takes to get a plant on line.
According to Petr Beckman (once more, _The Health Hazards of Not Going
Nuclear_), the lead time to get a multi-mega-watt generator is something
like 10 years. So, unless you are foolish enough to order your generator
*before* you have government approval for the plant, the lead time is
nearly 15 years. Comments from the same source suggest that the realistic
lead time to get a large plant going, from first decision to build, is over
20 years.

That lead time is the kicker in these arguments. For instance, if you start
a plant now, you can feel sure that it won't be obsolete the day it opens.
New technology just doesn't come up to snuff that fast (remember, they have
to live with that same 20 year lead time). If you think conservation will
carry us through to 2005 on what we have now, even with a 30% reserve, I
think you're deluding yourself. Either that, or this country will have real
economic problems (unsupported claim, obviously).

So, don't you all go rushing out to find newer, better ways of generating
power. We could all freeze while you're getting it on line (probably
somewhere beyond 2050). We have to start building the power plants of the
21st century soon.

I have as yet to see a power plant that I would care to leave close to, one
way or another. Fussion would be great, but it isn't here yet. Solar would
be great, if it were reliable. Nukes and coal are both dirty.  Wind,
geothermal, and hydrodynamic are ok for restricted areas.  Wind and
geothermal have not (to my knowledge) been tested in large-scale
applications (if you know of any, let me know).  Hydrodynamic is the
industry where we have a clear record of some nasty accidents (does the
Johnston (sp?) flood mean anything to you?).  Anybody got any others?  If
not, the best (usable!) alternative seems to be nukes. Pretty lousy, but
you takes what you can get.

	<mike

P.S. I think, the correct long-term solution is to move heavy industry into
LEO. Then the "soft" sources should be able to provide what's left. But
even a concerted national effort wouldn't have the first power plant
(current works seems to suggest a solar-powered steam plant!)  working for
20-30 years.  No win there, either.