[net.politics] A reply to Hall/Taylor on nuclear power

jonw@azure.UUCP (Jonathan White) (04/11/84)

Both Sam Hall and Martin Taylor have disputed my claim that nuclear power is
more polluting than coal.  Here is my source for that bit of information:

 "A recent study by Robert O. Pohl, professor of physics at Cornell University,
 evaluated possible health effects from thorium 230, the isotope in the
 tailings piles [of uranium mills] which will decay to radium, radon, and other
 radioactive products.  The decay product radon is a gaseous substance which
 can escape the piles and disperse throughout the world.  The thorium in the
 tailings piles has a radioactive half-life of 80,000 years, which means that
 although nuclear plants will produce power for only about 40 years, the
 effects of the mill tailings will remain for thousands of future generations.
 Pohl's conclusion:  the health effects of mill tailings alone from a nuclear
 power plant are greater than all the effects--including those from air
 pollution and occupational accidents--associated with the operation of an
 equivalent coal-fired plant.  (The Menace of Atomic Energy, p. 86)"  

In case anyone is interested in checking out the source of the above
information, I will reproduce the footnote:

 Robert O. Pohl, "Nuclear Energy: Health Effects of Thorium 230" (Physics 
 Department, Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., July 1975), pp. 2-4.

Martin Taylor made vague reference to an AAAS symposium "about 3 or 4 years
ago" that produced some pro-nuclear information.  Is that to say that the AAAS
has formally endorsed the findings you cited, or merely that papers presented 
by industry or government scientists contained those findings?  I'm a bit
skeptical of the methodology used in some of these studies.  For example, the
first draft of the Reactor Safety Study, released by the Atomic Energy 
Commission (Aug. 1974), used "reliability estimating" techniques developed by 
the aerospace industry to determine the likelihood of an accident.  The main 
problem with this was that the aerospace industry had already abandoned those 
techniques as a means of providing exact reliability estimates.  (As many as 
35% of the failures in the Apollo program had not been identified as "credible"
before they happened.)

And when I read stuff like this, I really get skeptical:

   As for the worst conceivable accident (the one-in-a-billion chance),
   the worst that could happen to a nuclear plant is to be blown up by
   an H-bomb.  This would make an area about the size of France uninhabitable
   for quite a few years.  With coal, the worst possible accident is that
   the entire planet becomes uninhabitable because of the greenhouse effect,
   that could (the one-in-a-billion chance) turn Earth into another Venus.
   
First of all, I don't think it is reasonable to assign statistics like "one-in-
a-billion" to the possibility of a reactor being hit by an H-bomb and then go
on to talk about the damage resulting from only one explosion.  If there's
going to be one H-bomb explosion (from a non-terrorist source), there will soon
be many more.  Besides, the chance of a catastrophic accident due to core 
meltdown is much greater than a reactor (U.S., anyway) being bombed.  Keep in 
mind that the 1975 accident at Brown's Ferry, which shut down the world's two 
largest reactors for over a year and almost resulted in a core meltdown, was 
caused by a worker with a four inch candle.  If a well-meaning worker with a 
candle could cause this much damage, what do you think a determined terrorist 
could do?

Second of all, you are comparing a one-shot accident to the world-wide 
long-term use of coal, which provides four and one half times as much 
electricity as nuclear does in the U.S.  You are also not allowing for advances
in conservation, alternative energy, and cleaner ways of using coal.

The bottom line is this:  if nuclear power is as safe as government and the
nuclear industry would have us believe, why then does industry continue to
insist on the limited liability provided for in the Price-Anderson Act?  No
other industry has (or needs) this type of taxpayer-provided insurance.  Why
should we pay good tax money so that we can be subjected to a dangerous and
unnecessary technology that couldn't last even one day in the free market?

There is plenty more to say and I don't have the time to say it.  I suggest
all interested parties read "The Menace of Atomic Energy" by Ralph Nader and
John Abbotts, published by W.W. Norton and Co.

			Jon White
			[decvax|ucbvax]!tektronix!tekmdp!azure!jonw

abeles@mhuxm.UUCP (abeles) (04/26/84)

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The original article by  Jon White  quotes a physicist at Cornell
who claims that the tailings from uranium processing  pose a health
problem.  But the tailings are nothing but the original ore which
has not been chemically or nuclearly altered.  Thus, any health
effects from that ore would be no different from the ore lying
in the ground with the exception of dredging it up, grinding it
into pieces and re-burying it.  I don't feel that that is obviously
dangerous.  Merely quoting someone who thinks it is dangerous doesn't
convince me that it is dangerous, either.

I suspect that Jon White himself doesn't understand the physics
of nuclear power, or any physics at all.  That's perhaps why
he offers quotes of others which don't make too much sense.