pjm (02/15/83)
I'd just like to reply to Adam L. Buchsbaum's comment that if we had net.music.dead we should also have net.music.beatles, net.music.who, etc.: deadheads have more to talk about. Deadheads do a lot of taping and exchanging of tapes, plus we discuss the Dead's concert dates (since they're almost constantly touring). Although I'm not one for the proliferation of newsgroups, I'd like to cast my vote for net.music.dead. Phil Mercurio ...ucbvax!sdcsvax!mercurio ...philabs!sdcsvax!mercurio (PS. I'm also interested in exchanging tapes.)
john@felix.UUCP (06/01/84)
So, there is no net.music.dead?? I received an article this morning! I also sent an article this morning, after receiving one! I guess only the DEAD can transcend the bounds an limitations of this lowly tool we use! Since it works, WAKE UP DEAD HEADS! I suppose this may be a fluke. Does the system provide for dead news, like deadletter? If so, how ironic. ... if you get confused, listen to the music play ... John Gilbert ( ...!decvax!trwrb!felix!john )
kdq@pthya.UUCP ( Kip Quackenbush) (06/08/84)
After all of the 'huffing and puffing' we went
through when net.music.classical came into life,
>> I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT NET.MUSIC.DEAD WAS FORMED!!!!!
ARRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHH!
--
Kip Quackenbush
pthya!kdq
{ihnp4,ucbvax,cbosgd,decwrl,amd70,fortune,zehntel}!dual!pthya!kdq
Pacific Bell, San Francisco, Californiarcd@opus.UUCP (Dick Dunn) (06/18/84)
Please DON'T post your articles about the Grateful Dead to net.music.dead.
Although older news software will create a group automatically (upon
receiving an article posted to it), newer software rejects these articles
and tosses them in the group "junk" instead.
It's a little annoying to have to subscribe to junk (which gets a fair
collection of screwups from various places on the net) just to find the
articles about the Dead. Do us a favor and post to net.music but make sure
the "Subject:" line gives a clue that the topic is of interest to
DeadHeads.
--
Dick Dunn {hao,ucbvax,allegra}!nbires!rcd (303)444-5710 x3086
...Cerebus for dictator!jackson@curium.DEC (Seth Jackson) (03/12/85)
>[btw, I have noticed quite a bit more synth discussion in net.music.synth then > was formerly in net.music... Perhaps the issue of net.music.dead should be > raised again...] Hear, hear! I support the idea of net.music.dead (or net.music.gdead) as do the other deadheads on the net with whom I have spoken. When I read through net.music, I am generally looking for Dead-related postings, and would prefer not to have to search through mounds of material that is not of interest to me (particularly difficult on a VMS system where readnews is not available). Also, I find that deadheads, myself included, greatly enjoy exchanging all kinds of Dead-related information, trivia, and anecdotes, which would undoubtedly not be understood nor welcomed by the general readership of net.music, and therefore is generally not posted. I strongly believe that net.music.gdead would provide a forum for such postings, and increase the number of Dead-related discussion, much to the enjoyment of all Deadheads on the net (and probably to the relief of some non-Deadheads, poor souls!). Seth Jackson "We used to play for silver, now we play for life"
myers@uwmacc.UUCP (Jeff Myers) (03/12/85)
> > Hear, hear! I support the idea of net.music.dead (or net.music.gdead) as do > the other deadheads on the net with whom I have spoken. When I read through > net.music, I am generally looking for Dead-related postings, and would > prefer not to have to search through mounds of material that is not of > interest to me... > > Seth Jackson > > "We used to play for silver, now we play for life" I forty-second the motion. Jeff Myers "Some folks trust to reason, others trust in might"
jf4@bonnie.UUCP (John Fourney) (03/13/85)
*** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** 1 NO vote.
eg1282@dartvax.UUCP (eg128 account 2) (03/13/85)
> > >[btw, I have noticed quite a bit more synth discussion in net.music.synth then > > was formerly in net.music... Perhaps the issue of net.music.dead should be > > raised again...] > > Hear, hear! I support the idea of net.music.dead (or net.music.gdead) as do > the other deadheads on the net with whom I have spoken. When I read through > net.music, I am generally looking for Dead-related postings, and would > prefer not to have to search through mounds of material that is not of > interest to me (particularly difficult on a VMS system where readnews is > not available). Also, I find that deadheads, myself included, greatly > enjoy exchanging all kinds of Dead-related information, trivia, and > anecdotes, which would undoubtedly not be understood nor welcomed > by the general readership of net.music, and therefore is > generally not posted. I strongly believe that net.music.gdead would > provide a forum for such postings, and increase the number of Dead-related > discussion, much to the enjoyment of all Deadheads on the net (and probably > to the relief of some non-Deadheads, poor souls!). > > > Seth Jackson > > "We used to play for silver, now we play for life" *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** I'll second that emotion...
sunny@sun.uucp (Ms. Sunny Kirsten) (03/14/85)
> > > > Hear, hear! I support the idea of net.music.dead (or net.music.gdead) as do > > the other deadheads on the net with whom I have spoken. When I read through > > net.music, I am generally looking for Dead-related postings, and would > > prefer not to have to search through mounds of material that is not of > > interest to me... I also am in favor of the re-creation of net.music.gdead -- {ucbvax,decvax,ihnp4}!sun!sunny (Ms. Sunny Kirsten)
baskina@stolaf.UUCP (Andre G. Baskin) (03/14/85)
> > > > Hear, hear! I support the idea of net.music.dead (or net.music.gdead) as do > > the other deadheads on the net with whom I have spoken. When I read through > > net.music, I am generally looking for Dead-related postings, and would > > prefer not to have to search through mounds of material that is not of > > interest to me... > > > > Seth Jackson > > > > "We used to play for silver, now we play for life" > > I forty-second the motion. Jeff Myers > > "Some folks trust to reason, others trust in might" Another vote for net.music.dead!! "Let there be songs to fill the air."
cower@columbia.UUCP (Rich Cower) (03/14/85)
Didn't there used to be net.music.dead? I think I used to read it a few years ago while at SRI. I'd sure like to see it (again). ..Rich Cower
rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Professor Wagstaff) (03/14/85)
I hereby propose the following additional subgroups: net.music.beatles net.music.stones net.music.who net.music.beachboys net.music.yes net.music.genesis net.music.siouxsie&thebanshees net.music.residents net.music.huskerdu net.music.pristinearea To be followed soon thereafter by: net.music.beatles.XXXX where XXXX is a beatle [jokes about net.music.beatles.dead will be shredded] net.music.genesis.withgabriel net.music.yes.no net.music.dead.drugs Is there anyone else who thinks THEIR favorite group is so different from the rest of the world of music that it deserves its own subgroup because it would just be IMpossible to discuss things in net.music? In case you hadn't guessed, this is a NO vote. -- "Right now it's only a notion, but I'm hoping to turn it into an idea, and if I get enough money I can make it into a concept." Rich Rosen pyuxd!rlr
mag@gitpyr.UUCP (Mark A. Gravitt) (03/17/85)
In article <2832@dartvax.UUCP> eg1282@dartvax.UUCP (eg128 account 2) writes: >> Hear, hear! I support the idea of net.music.dead (or net.music.gdead) as do >> the other deadheads on the net with whom I have spoken. I'd like to register a "NO" vote on the subject of net.music.dead. This would appear to be better suited to a mailing list. (Otherwise, I suspect that the net will drown under a flock of net.music spinoffs. (net.music.duran is one of the more hideous possibilities... :-) )) -- Mark A. Gravitt | "You, therefore, love one User Assistant | another and in patient Office of Computing Services | endurance conceal one Georgia Institute of Technology | another's shortcomings." Atlanta, GA | [Testament of Joseph 17:2] ..!{akgua, allegra, amd, hplabs, ihnp4, masscomp, ut-ngp}gatech!gitpyr!mag ..!{rlgvax, sb1, uf-cgrl, unmvax, ut-sally}!gatech!gitpyr!mag
wutka@gitpyr.UUCP (Mark Wutka) (03/17/85)
I agree, Mark. No net.music.dead, please, or I will ask for
net.music.hendrix, net.music.doors, net.music.yes.......
And probably (GOD forbid !) someone will suggest....
net.music.michaeljackson (AIIEEE!!!)
--
Mark Wutka
Office of Computing Services
Georgia Institute of Technology
Atlanta, Ga.
...!{akgua,allegra,amd,hplabs,ihnp4,masscomp,ut-ngp}!gatech!gitpyr!wutka
...!{rlgvax,sb1,uf-cgrl,unmvax,ut-sally}!gatech!gitpyr!wutka
The author of this message is purely fictitious. Any similarity
to any real character, living or dead, is purely a pigment of
your warped imagination.rick@uwmacc.UUCP (the absurdist) (03/18/85)
[ "We can share what we got of yours, 'cause we done shared all of mine... " ]
I support net.music.dead for 4 reasons:
(1) Net.music needs subgroups to keep it readable
(2) The Deadheads post in reasonably high volume AND have
done so for a long time (unlike, say, the 3 Stooges fans
or the Prisoner fans on net.tv)
(3) This material is not of general interest
(4) The subgroup is well defined enough that people can reasonably
be expected to decide whether an article goes in the subgroup
or the parent group.
Note that reason #2 explains why this is not (yet) going to make
net.music a mass of net.music.beatles, net.music.duranduran, etc.
The Deadheads are ALREADY active.
--
"Hey, check it OUT! I'm leaping tall buildings with a single BOUND!
Stay right where you ARE! I've gotta locate a SPEEDING BULLET!"
-- Ambush Bug
Rick Keir -- MicroComputer Information Center, MACC
1210 West Dayton St/U Wisconsin Madison/Mad WI 53706
{allegra, ihnp4, seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!rickrcd@opus.UUCP (Dick Dunn) (03/18/85)
> I hereby propose the following additional subgroups: > net.music.beatles > net.music.stones > net.music.who > ... Well, we had to go and pull Rich Rosen's string, didn't we? One of Rich's roles in net.music seems to be to categorically oppose the creation of subgroups. Fine, flame at that if you will, but he's got a good point in general, and the postings on creation of a dead subgroup in particular give him ample ammo, since practically none of them give any indication of a decent reason for creating the group: > ... > net.music.yes.no > net.music.dead.drugs > > Is there anyone else who thinks THEIR favorite group is so different from > the rest of the world of music that it deserves its own subgroup because > it would just be IMpossible to discuss things in net.music? The reasons that net.music.*dead MIGHT make sense include substantial traffic in net.music (which MIGHT be getting to annoy net.music readers) and a moderate content of only remotely musically related material--such as Garcia's bust or his new red t-shirt(s). > In case you hadn't guessed, this is a NO vote. No, I hadn't guessed. Actually, that was not a "vote" but a "flame". "Votes" are tallied by someone who has volunteered to take them BY EMAIL and report the results. (Small matter of netiquette.) BTW, I'm counting votes, but only the ones I get by mail. [My reason is not to exclude anyone's opinion; I just can't go back in time and comb votes out of everything in net.music.] Maybe it's fine as it is. (D'Heads are always out to make converts.:-) Maybe a mailing list could work for some of the less interesting stuff, tho that can be a headache to maintain. Maybe a subgroup should exist. But in any case, let's collect opinions and see how they stack up. As I said, I will collect the votes and post the result. -- Dick Dunn {hao,ucbvax,allegra}!nbires!rcd (303)444-5710 x3086 ...If you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind.
Fournier.pasa@XEROX.ARPA (03/18/85)
Well, perhaps there could be a net.music.StanRogers, or a net.music.folk (Canadian, Celtic, whatever).... I seem to know a lot of technical folk who like traditional and traditional-style music. Of course, if there are such subdivisions already available, someone should tell me. If not, and it's desired, I'm willing to start transmitting info for at least southern California. Marina Fournier <Fournier.pasa@Xerox.arpa>
stein@druny.UUCP (SteinDW) (03/19/85)
1 YES vote. Don Stein druny!stein "Full of hope, full of grace is the human race, But afraid that we may lay our home to waste."
rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Professor Wagstaff) (03/19/85)
>>Is there anyone else who thinks THEIR favorite group is so different from >>the rest of the world of music that it deserves its own subgroup because >>it would just be IMpossible to discuss things in net.music? > The reasons that net.music.*dead MIGHT make sense include substantial > traffic in net.music (which MIGHT be getting to annoy net.music readers) WARNING from Joe Blow, average netnews reader: if there is any substantial traffic about a group/artist I care little or know nothing about, I will become annoyed. I'd guess we have a lot of annoyed readers then. Again, is this any different from substantial traffic about ANY group/artist? > and a moderate content of only remotely musically related material--such as > Garcia's bust or his new red t-shirt(s). I'd guess that if topics only remotely related to music were being discussed, perhaps a more limited forum (like a mailing list, as Mr. Dunn suggested) might be in order. (I didn't know I had a "role" in this newsgroup. Will I win an Oscar? :-) -- Anything's possible, but only a few things actually happen. Rich Rosen pyuxd!rlr
steiny@scc.UUCP (Don Steiny) (03/19/85)
*** When we subscribed to the net about two years ago there was a newsgroup called "net.gdead." There was never much traffic. I assume it went away because it was not used much. -- scc!steiny Don Steiny - Personetics @ (408) 425-0382 ihnp4!pesnta -\ 109 Torrey Pine Terr. ucbvax!twg --> scc!steiny Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 fortune!idsvax -/
jcjeff@ihlpg.UUCP (jeffreys) (03/20/85)
> When we subscribed to the net about two years ago there > was a newsgroup called "net.gdead." There was never much > traffic. I assume it went away because it was not used much. > > Don Steiny - Personetics @ (408) 425-0382 I'm not surprised that there was not much "Traffic", as it was ment for "Greatful Dead" :-) I only hope that this boring dialouge will stop. I've now decided after an initial NO vote to change to a YES vote. The sooner they get this news-group going, the sooner I'll be able to stop reading about it. Afterall, I only view about 20% of all the news-groups available, another one I won't read will not make a big difference. SOMEBODY, PLEASE GIVE THEM THE NEWSGROUP THEY WANT. -- [ You called all the way from America - Joan Armatrading ] [ You're never alone with a rubber duck - Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ || From the keys of Richard Jeffreys ( British Citizen Overseas ) || || employed by North American Philips Corporation || || @ AT&T Bell Laboratories, Naperville, Illinois || ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ || General disclaimer about anything and everything that I may have typed || ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
cs1@oddjob.UUCP (Cheryl Stewart) (03/20/85)
All we deadheads have to do is start flooding net.music
with articles of clearly parochial interest. Then,
EVERYONE will agree
a. there is enough support for the net.dead
b. that it should be in a separate group
I know this isn't a very hippy-dippy peace, love and skiwax
approach, but it's fair.
All we need now is a left-handed monkey wrench.
Did anyone see the posting in net.rumors about this summer's tour?
I'm specifically interested in Red Rocks & Santa Fe.
Who's got spare tix for Nassau Coliseum?
I've got tapes of Alpine Valley 82 & 84, one of them
containing a cover of "Dear Mr. Fantasy" (orig. Traffic)
I'd like to find something with Scarlet Begonias into Fire on the
Mountain, a good, clean version. Anyone up for an exchange of copies?
Oh, and that slow version of Bobby covering Little Red Rooster (by
Willy Dixon)
Now THAT's parochial. Let's start a list of songs they do
regularly in concert, but are NOWHERE ON LEGIT VINYL. Like
Aiko, Aiko. That's right, the women are smarter.
And now for something non-parochial:
The Violent Femmes do a terrifying cover of Sister Ray, but
NOLV; the tape I heard was made in an icecream parlor in
Milwaukee by a deadhead. NOLV material is rare, precious and
99% of it is gone, daddy, gone. And it's generally only
deadheads who have the foresight to at least get some of it on tape.
(Do you really WANT the stuff that future generations hear to
be only the stuff that some music-company manager decided he
could make a buck off of by putting it on vinyl? huh?)
The point is that deadheads make a valuable contribution to
musical culture just by going to concerts, and supporting
a community that values real music, live music, music that
evolves far beyond the marketing constraints of the record biz.
Songs on albums are, to the dead, a mere outline, the bare
bones. What you hear in concert goes far beyond that.
Furthermore, by studying, playing and creating adaptations
of folk ballads, country and western,and bluegrass, blues, etc.
the dead perpetuate a tradition of uniquely American music.
Their music is not from the groin of adolescent angst, it's
from the heart of the heart of the country. Jerry Garcia
studied banjo for years with Earl Scruggs, Vassar Clements
plays violin on "Wake of the Flood", and they all play to-
gether with Lester Flatt on "Old and in the Way" Jerry was
Bob Weir's first guitar instructor. The dead are not a
rock band. They are part of a musical heritage. And they
extend that heritage to include elements of popular, psychedelic,
rock, and yes, even disco music.
And because it's all live, you can't BUY them in a STORE on
VINYL with MONEY (all you get is an outline).
You just have to be there.
"Such a long, long time to be gone and a short time to be there"
Cheryl7995pk13@sjuvax.UUCP (kirsch) (03/20/85)
So you want to start a net.music.dead huh? Who would you talk about?
John Lennon, Jim Croce, John Bonham, Marc Bolan seem to be a few that would
be appropriate.
--
Paul Kirsch St. Joseph's Univ.
{allegra | astrovax | bpa | burdvax}!sjuvax!7995pk13 Phila., Pa.
Where do birds go when it rains ?
================================================================================Benjamin%PCO@CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA (Paul Benjamin) (03/20/85)
Yes, please stop all of this conversation. Either start a newsgroup or
don't start one but stop cluttering this newgroup with lengthy diatribes
for or against starting one. I suppose that that goes for net.whatever.
For me, the technology that I use to read this stuff is sufficiently
sophisticated that it is no big deal to bypass stuff that I am not
interested in. I like the Dead, I've seen them 4 times, but I don't
consider them a religion like some do. I have, however, no objection to
reading (or skipping over as my mood may be) postings about Garcia's
bust or where they're playing next. I've had to tolerate endless
conversations about Genesis and whoever Peter Gabriel is and no one
seems to be suggesting the departure of that drivel to another arena.
But whichever, do it or don't do it but let's get back to talking about
music as opposed to talking about talking about music.
"Boogie 'til you puke"woods@hao.UUCP (Greg Woods) (03/20/85)
> When we subscribed to the net about two years ago there > was a newsgroup called "net.gdead." There was never much > traffic. I assume it went away because it was not used much. WRONG!!! net.gdead was not used much because some system administrators decided unilaterally that it wasn't a valid group, and removed it from their systems. As a result, an article posted to net.gdead only made it to a small portion of the net, rendering the group useless. THAT'S why there was no traffic. Personally, I think the fact that this discussion (whether the Deadheads should have a separate group) comes up at least twice every year is sufficient evidence that net.music.dead *should* be created, if only to end this recurring discussion! It, and other Dead-related postings, accounted for over 30% of the articles in net.music last week. If that isn't good enough evidence that a subgroup is needed, I don't know what is. Also, we (Deadheads) tend to post lots of stuff that isn't really related to music, like the color of Jerry's T-shirts, tickets needed, etc. A separate group is clearly warranted, and I think the fears of Professor Paranoid about every band having a subgroup are unfounded. If a group gets 30% of the articles, I would have no objection to them having their own subgroup, but so far that hasn't happened. --Greg -- {ucbvax!hplabs | allegra!nbires | decvax!noao | harpo!seismo | ihnp4!noao} !hao!woods CSNET: woods@NCAR ARPA: woods%ncar@CSNET-RELAY "Please don't dominate the rap Jack, if you got nothing new to say..."
nm34@sdcc12.UUCP (nm34) (03/21/85)
There are many good reasons why there is a need for net.music.dead.
No matter how you cut it a deadhead is a different sort of animal, as
different as a Dead concert is from any other one.
We like to wear our hair all long and shaggy.
We do get our kicks on LSD...
But the biggest reason to have a separate news group is because the
rest of you that are not interested in the Dead are going to want to
get rid of us.
I hearby put out a call to all deaders in net.music land to put at
least on piece of Deadism on net news per day. Eventually, we will have
what we deserve, NET.MUSIC.DEAD. Net.music.jackson will never come into
being because of the biggest difference between deadheads and all other
music fans, and that is that we are together.
It was said many years ago:
Deadheads Unite: Where are you, Who are you.
I want you to show that you are there. Respond to this call.
Describe your first Dead show. Say why you love the Dead. Etc...
We will get our own NET.MUSIC.DEAD.
Deadfully yours,
Andy Bindman
sullivan@harvard.ARPA (John Sullivan) (03/21/85)
Here is a yes vote for every group that wants to be created. I find that it is much easier to choose what groups/subgroups I want to read at a particular time than to look through (often misleading) subject lines. John M. Sullivan sullivan@harvard
vanhall.WBST@XEROX.ARPA (03/22/85)
I regularly excercise my ability to DELETE any e-mail that I don't want to read. The amount of Dead material I receive does not bother me, infact I usually delete the " lets have a Dead dl " type mail. But this does not mean that I don't enjoy reading about the Dead... I have the right to choose. Well, let's hope that the deadheads get their own forum. Heck what's one more dl? Don P.S. Does anyone have a copy of the original acid test? I've heard (I'm not old enough to remember) that it was all the rage when it came out.
brig@drutx.UUCP (BrighamD) (03/22/85)
[] I am interested in the shows the DEead is putting on at Red Rocks. I hear they are really hard to come by. What, how, or where can I get my hands on some (especially in the taping section) Gratefully yours, Dan Brigham ihnp4!drutx!brig (303)538-4097
tremblay@latour.DEC (03/25/85)
The DEAD played their first Springfield, Mass. show last night and it was pretty hot (temperature wise too). Here's last nights' songlist: Bertha-> Promiseland Althea Me and my uncle-> Mexicali blues Ramble on rose Minglewood blues Deal Samson and Delilah-> Cumberland blues Man Smart-> He's gone-> Spoonful-> Percussion-> Dear Mr. Fantasy-> Throwing stones-> Not Fade Away....... U.S. Blues Overall, not a bad show. Glenn T.
tremblay@latour.DEC (03/28/85)
Here is the songlist from the first Nassau Coliseum show.... Mississippi 1/2 step (w/ Phil singing)-> Hell in a Bucket West L.A. Fadeaway Mama tried-> Big River Just like Tom Thumbs' Blues (w/ Phil only singing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Brown Eyed Women Tons of Steel (Brent song off his new album) Might as Well ------------ Shakedown Uncle John's Band Playing in the Band Jam Drums Stella Blue Lovelight ------------ Touch of Gray Glenn T.
baskina@stolaf.UUCP (Andre G. Baskin) (03/30/85)
This is yet another vote for net.music.dead. There is more than enough interest and material generated by Deadheads to support such a group. Where else could one write of the colour of Jerry's shirt, your best concert trip (and I don't mean the one to the event), post play lists to one's heart's content, or deal on ticket, story, and tape trading? Free net.music for the sheep who follow the "Piper of New Wave and other Noise". Deadheads of the net only want a place to call their own, not much to ask. "Let there be songs to fill the air" iphn4!stolaf!baskina or iphn4!stolaf!ccnfld!baskina
lethin@yale.ARPA (Richard A. Lethin) (04/07/85)
Summary: Expires: Sender: Followup-To: Keywords: ditto, vote for net.music.dead, to save net.music from complete domination.