ward@hao.UUCP (07/17/84)
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How about Cuono for president!
What a speech.
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USPS: POB 3000, Boulder, CO 80307barryw@pesnta.PE.UUCP (Barry Wenger) (07/17/84)
[*** munch ***] Mario Cuomo has done what very few people seem to have been able to do lately. Let's hope that the keynote speaker jinx doesn't affect his future chances of presidency. Mario Cuomo in '88.
wetcw@pyuxa.UUCP (T C Wheeler) (07/19/84)
(This line reserved for Official use Only) Forget Cuomo too. If you will recall, the speech was full of rhetoric without substance. It was exactly what it was supposed to be, a call to arms. Even Mario, in a local interview on WMCA, admitted that much. A keynote address at any political event is supposed to try to set a tone or rally the masses. Mario's speech did just that, and quite well, but it had no answers, if you will recall. The speech was full of accusations, as it should be, full of pulling togethers, as it should be, full of motherhood and apple pie, as it should be. It was not supposed to be a campaign speech designed to inform. Cuomo is a very effective keynote speaker. Maybe one of the best around right now. He is not, however, one of the best leaders around, re. New York's current budget problems. Further, he is not a team player. For some reason, he will not be stumping for Mondale outside New York State. I have the feeling that he does not want to be associated with a loser just in case he wants to take a run at it in '88. In the WMCA interview with Barry Farber, he admitted that he thought that Mondale did not have a chance, and might not even carry New York. What has this to do with the keynote speech? Only that you should try to remember that keynote addresses are really earwash. The ability to make great speeches has little to do with an ability to govern. The media thrives on words. The better those words are presented, the more adulation the speaker receives from the media. Check out how they fall all over RR's speeches. He has discovered the media's weakness and uses it to full advantage. Check again the substance of Jesse Jackson's speech tuesday night. Rousing and soul stiring though it was, he did not apologize to the Jewish community for his slurs or the slurs of his followers. He only apologized in general for some things he might have said. Jewish leaders in the New York area are very upset. (NY area listeners might tune into WMCA between 4 and 6 pm to hear how upset.) The media, on the other hand, was once more carried away by the rhetoric and can't praise Jackson enough for the speech. As long as I am at it, I will put in two cents worth of my thoughts on Fritz Mondale. Given the last six months of campaigning, here is a guy who seems to be ready to cave into any special interest group that controls more than 1/2% of the local votes. So far, he has caved into labor's demands, southern politicos (Lance), California Liberals (Monat), NOW (Ferraro), and several others that tend to make him look very suspicious as being his own man. I'm afraid Mondale was cut from the same cloth that gave us Jimmy (indecisive) Carter. His stock answer as to taxes is to raise them for the middle class, and to slap surcharges on Corporate and upper income payors. Who do you think will end up paying these surcharges? I have only one real gripe with Ferraro. She has been touting her residence as being lower middle class. Balderdash! Ferraro lives in a HIGHLY exclusive area called Forest Hills Village. Not one home in this privately owned, privately maintained enclave sells for less than $400,000. The district she claims to be Archie Bunker territory is preponderatly upper middle class to quite wealthy. Only about one tenth of her district is lower middle class. You cannot even drive your car past Ferraro's house as the guards at the entrance to the enclave won't let you in without damn good reason. So, I wish she would stop telling the rest of the poor folks out there that she lives in a poor nieghborhood. It's just a bunch of malarky. Well, I'm putting on my asbestos shorts. Maybe we can get some fire going in this newsgroup? T. C. Wheeler
david@fisher.UUCP (David Rubin) (07/20/84)
One limited comment. Ferraro may live in a affluent neighborhood, but
at least she is not isolated from the masses and, to some extent,
shares their environment. Some California Ranch owners have evidently
gone for years without visiting one of the less trendy urban areas.
David Rubin
{allegra|astrovax|princeton}!fisher!davidalbrecht@bsdgvax.UUCP (07/23/84)
>From David Rubin > One limited comment. Ferraro may live in a affluent neighborhood, but > at least she is not isolated from the masses and, to some extent, > shares their environment. Some California Ranch owners have evidently > gone for years without visiting one of the less trendy urban areas. To what extent does she "share their environment"? The fact of the matter is that Ferraro and her husband are VERY wealthy. They own, I believe, 4 homes (one of which is in the Virgin Islands) and I'm sure they have some very wealthy friends. How often do you think she gets down to her district in Queens and really rubs elbows with the lower-middle class that she represents? I also heard a report that Ferraro's husband is some sort of a slum lord. Apparently he owns several tenements, some in very poor condition. My source quoted the New York Times. Has anyone else heard or read about this? I don't understand why people make someone like Ferraro out to be any more in touch with the masses than the President. That fact that she comes from Queens doesn't help. You can be filthy rich and still own a house in Queens. The question is: Is the person qualified for the job? We're talking about a 3-term congresswoman who hasn't had a piece of her legislation passed since she's been there. The only things she has going for her at this point are the endorsements of Tip O'Neal and the National Organization for Women. She is certainly not qualified to be vice-president nor even (heaven forbid) president. -- Tom Albrecht Burroughs Corp. SDG/Devon
simard@loral.UUCP (Ray Simard) (07/26/84)
>Cuomo: what a speech!
Yup. I'd gladly cupport Mario Cuomo for president - of Toastmasters.
His oratory was quite good, much better than his facts. As the
Wall Street Journal commented, paraphrasing him, "Don't be deceived
because inflation is low. Don't be deceived because unemployment
is down!" What next, Don't be deceived because you're better off
than in 1980?
His excellently delivered words still expressed the tired liberal
agenda: redistribution, strong defense without paying for it,
regulating our way to Utopia, and that eternal distortion:
"we're for compassion!" To me compassion is reducing inflation to
stop robbing the fixed-incomed elderly of the value of their
pensions, opening opportunities for the disadvantaged to find dignifying,
supporting employment in a growing, prospering economy, and implementing
methods (such as ERISA and its followers) for people to create their
own retirement plans.
Cuomo (as well as nearly every liberal who could get to a microphone
in the last two years) berated Reagan for "tax cuts to benefit the
rich". He conveniently left out the fact that, while middle and
low income families paid a smaller percentage of income in taxes,
the richest sectors paid MORE!
The economy is growing like crazy, all economic indicators are dramatically
improved except real interest rates which are about what they were
in '80 (thanks, in my judgment, to the Fed targeting monetary aggregates
with figures they devised last fall, without adjusting them later to
accommodate the unexpected growth this year) and Cuomo's oratorical
flourish is the most commendable part of the speech. His issues
definitely were not.
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Ray Simard
Loral Instrumentation, San Diego
{ucbvax, ittvax!dcdwest}!sdcsvax!sdccsu3!loral!simardwmartin@brl-tgr.ARPA (Will Martin ) (07/27/84)
Who WROTE Cuomo's speech? If he did himself, then fine; you may then ascribe your feelings as a result of hearing the speech to him. If he did not, and some anonymous or staff speechwriter did it, Cuomo himself becomes nothing more than an announcer, reading a script. Your reactions as a result of the speech's contents have nothing to do with Cuomo himself. This applies whether you found the speech soul-stirring and wonderful, or a despicable pack of innuendo and lies. Only the true origin, not the deliverer, is important.
edhall@randvax.UUCP (07/27/84)
> .... The question is: Is the person qualified for the job? We're > talking about a 3-term congresswoman who hasn't had a piece of her > legislation passed since she's been there. The only things she has > going for her at this point are the endorsements of Tip O'Neal and the > National Organization for Women. She is certainly not qualified to be > vice-president nor even (heaven forbid) president. > > -- > Tom Albrecht Burroughs Corp. SDG/Devon They said the same sort of thing about Ronald Reagan when he ran for Governor of California with little more experience than as president of the Screen Actor's Guild. Which publically-elected national offices did George Bush hold before he became Vice President? Does this make him more qualified? Oh, yes, he *did* head the CIA for a while. No comment. -Ed Hall decvax!randvax!edhall
david@fisher.UUCP (David Rubin) (07/27/84)
There you go again, Ray. Real interest rates in 1980 were, on average,
about 18% (nominal) - 12% (inflation) = 6%. Now, in 1984, they are
about 14% (nominal) - 4% (inflation) =10%, nearly twice as high.
I can't bear to see you get away with saying they are the same.
David Rubin
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Note: All figures to the best of my recollection. If I'm off by one
percent, I don't care to hear about it. As the President might say,
"Details are what killed my predecessor."david@fisher.UUCP (David Rubin) (07/29/84)
Ferraro may have only served six years in the House, but Reagan had
only four years of public service when he became President. And what
qualifications did John Adams bring to the office, other than being a
radical revolutionary? :-)
David Rubin
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