jj@rabbit.UUCP (09/04/84)
<oyez, oyez, oyez!> Lookie here, kiddies, how does THIS sound? 1) Reagan is re-elected 2) Three Supreme Court justices either resign or die 3) RR appoints three justices who a) Don't support Miranda b) Don't support the right to abortion as personal choice c) Support prayer <Christian, BAfC> in schools, etc d) Don't support ERA. 4) One third of the population is tried for homicide, retroactively, concerning abortion 5) Those who don't pray in school are forced to either pray or suffer the same consequences I saw in grade school. (Labelled as a 'little heathen', etc) 6) Anyone with long hair/beard/bad manners/wrong color/wrong politics is again subjected to illegal search and seizure on a regular basis. ... How about this? 1) Mondale is elected 2) Mondale actually DOES what he says he will do, and a) Strips the military b) Strips out most money for scientific research c) Increases $$ to social programs and "entitlements" d) Supports ERA <do I hope for too much???> 3) Three Supreme Court Justices die/resign 4) Mondale appoints three justices who support a) Abortion b) Punitive "civil rights" actions c) Nationalization of businesses d) Increased protection for labor unions e) ERA 5) You loose your technical job and go on welfare, as you are management, not union. Research stops in almost all areas due to union takeover of company receipts and government dis-incentives in the tax laws. 6) Inflation tops 30%, welfare receipients, who are indexed, soon make more money than scientists, and are "entitled" to it. 7) The "phone company" goes broke due to the continued government interference, is nationalized, and installation delays approach 1 year. 8) Inflation tops 50%, business as we know it comes to a halt. 9) The federal deficit demonstrates the true nature of exponential growth, as the increased federal borrowing completely removes any chance of handling the truly excessive cost of financing deficits. 10)ERA is passed, allowing mothers to starve on an equal basis with fathers... Gee. Isn't this fun? Who will YOU vote for, the rock or the hard place? -- TEDDY BEARS ARE SOFT AND CUDDLY. TRY ONE YOURSELF! "Maybe I've been hoping too hard, ..." (allegra,harpo,ulysses)!rabbit!jj
rlr@pyuxn.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (09/05/84)
Here's another in a series of scenarios: 1) Zippy the Pinhead is elected President 2) ALL of the Supreme Court justices either resign or die in a fishing accident 3) ZtP appoints seven justices who a) Cannot read or write b) Don't understand any spoken or written language c) Advocate having everyone pray to shoehorns d) Wear leather underwear 4) Eleven tenths of the population is sent to prison for breathing 5) Aliens from outer space spray our planet with jello 6) Libya invades itself, causing a nuclear explosion 7) Money is outlawed, putting an end to business, labor, food, industry, shopping, shopping malls, muzak, architecture, etc. 8) Victor the Solipsist wakes up and none of this happens Given all this, would you vote for Zippy? :-) (I mean, if you go for the far-fetched, go for it all, I always say. How does one resign in a fishing accident?) -- AT THE TONE PLEASE LEAVE YOUR NAME AND NET ADDRESS. THANK YOU. Rich Rosen pyuxn!rlr
ward@hao.UUCP (Mike Ward) (09/08/84)
[] >>4) One third of the population is tried for homicide, retroactively, >> concerning abortion > > Nobody I'm aware of is suggesting any such thing. Anyway, > that would be an ex-post-facto law, and therefore unconstitutional. Comment #1: One Third of the People in this country would be guilty if abortion were again a crime??? Comment #2: The Supreme Court does not pass laws, it merely tells us all what the laws that exist really mean. Therefore ex post facto does not apply. (Therefore nobody ever knows what is or is not legal, therefore the present level of respect fot the judicial system) Comment #3: Nobody ever suggests "such a thing" until after it's too late to stop them easily. -- Michael Ward, NCAR/SCD UUCP: {hplabs,nbires,brl-bmd,seismo,menlo70,stcvax}!hao!ward ARPA: hplabs!hao!sa!ward@Berkeley BELL: 303-497-1252 USPS: POB 3000, Boulder, CO 80307
rcd@opus.UUCP (Dick Dunn) (09/18/84)
> First, let me point out some things with regard to your scenario > of Ronald Reagan and the fatal epidemic among Supreme Court justices > and your Walter Mondale prognostications. > > First, is the principle of checks and balances. Appointees such as > the Supreme Court justices must be approved by Congress, just like > many other important actions that the President undertakes... Important point. Each time that Reagan cuts loose with one of his ultra-right-wing (or just plain nutso) appointments, watch what happens in Congress. They have to pass them on. What usually happens? They make a nice big stink ("outraged"..."indignant"..."mortified"...etc; you've heard them all) - and then approve the appointment anyway! Half the problem of the Executive branch running amuck is a spineless legislative branch which hasn't taken any meaningful actions in at least fifteen years (and beyond that my memory fades; it's probably been longer). -- Dick Dunn {hao,ucbvax,allegra}!nbires!rcd (303)444-5710 x3086 ...Never offend with style when you can offend with substance.
simard@loral.UUCP (Ray Simard) (09/19/84)
>Lookie here, kiddies, how does THIS sound? > >1) Reagan is re-elected >2) Three Supreme Court justices either resign or die >3) RR appoints three justices who > a) Don't support Miranda Let's not confuse Miranda with abuse of the exclusionry rule. > b) Don't support the right to abortion as personal choice Fine. > c) Support prayer <Christian, BAfC> in schools, etc Or support the right of those who WANT to pray to do so if they wish. > d) Don't support ERA. No comment; I think ERA is fine, but redundant. >4) One third of the population is tried for homicide, retroactively, > concerning abortion Nobody I'm aware of is suggesting any such thing. Anyway, that would be an ex-post-facto law, and therefore unconstitutional. >5) Those who don't pray in school are forced to either pray or suffer > the same consequences I saw in grade school. (Labelled as a > 'little heathen', etc) By whom? If it's classmates, then THEY and their attitude are the problem. >6) Anyone with long hair/beard/bad manners/wrong color/wrong politics > is again subjected to illegal search and seizure on a regular basis. Not a chance. Where did this idea come from that unless persons can escape justice by back-door technicalities UNRELATED to their guilt or innocence, justice is ill-served? And nobody in the conservative camp is suggesting a police-state free-for-all against random targets. It just might be that, with the new social awareness that grew up in the last few decades, people are more tolerant of each other than before. Sure, there's plenty of irresponsible discrimination, but there is also a clear shift, born of open discussions and challenging of traditional ideas that has taken place. Somewhere, the idea has grown up that things have changed only because the government has made them change; while there has been a role, the far larger one has been that of a dramatically maturing society which has embraced concepts of human value and dignity INDIVIDUALLY far more than before. In this election season, there has been a flurry of suggestions that all the evils of the old-line McCarthyism, racism and injustice are waiting in the wings bearing the banner of conservatism. I don't buy it. Neither Reagan nor the so-called New Right are trying to jam religion, police abuses, jingoism or elitism down the nation's collective throat, as they have been accused. There is an effort to rebalance those issues: allowing, but not requiring, prayer, getting rid of the "Star Chamber" kind of esoteric legal nonsense, negotiating with other nations, the Soviets in particular, rather than appeasing them, and building good for the poor and middle classes with a vigorous economy rather than a concocted class war. >Who will YOU vote for, the rock or the hard place? Well, I've got my differences with the 'rock', as I believe, by sequence, you refer to Ronnie, but I like the direction we're going, if not all the side trips. Reagain! -- [ I am not a stranger, but a friend you haven't met yet ] Ray Simard Loral Instrumentation, San Diego {ucbvax, ittvax!dcdwest}!sdcsvax!sdcc6!loral!simard