hawk@oliven.UUCP (09/18/84)
>Until the CIA put the country [Nicaragua] >under pressure *for no reason at all*, This is just plain wrong. Seems to me the reason was something about Nicaragua and the El Salvador rebels they were supporting. The CIA assistance will supposedly stop as soon as Nicaragua stops supporting the El Salvador rebels. >everyone in the country >supported the government. This never was the case in any country, is not now, and probably never will be. Besides, if everyone supported the government, there wouldn't have been any rebels for the CIA to support. > but the whole situation was caused by the CIA. The CIA does to Nicaragua what Nicaragua was already doing to El Salvador in order to coerce Nicaragua into stopping and the whole situation is the CIA's fault? Two wrongs don't make a right, but your logic is twisted. > If they hadn't interfered, the Mesquitos would still be living >in there homes, and besides that, the economy and the eduction >program would be in much better state by now. Couldn't we say the same about how things would be in El Salvador if Nicaragua hadn't interfered? rick -- [hplabs|zehntel|fortune|ios|tolerant|allegra|tymix]!oliveb!oliven!hawk
mjk@tty3b.UUCP (Mike Kelly) (09/20/84)
>>Until the CIA put the country [Nicaragua] >>under pressure *for no reason at all*, > >This is just plain wrong. Seems to me the reason was something about Nicaragua >and the El Salvador rebels they were supporting. The CIA assistance will >supposedly stop as soon as Nicaragua stops supporting the El Salvador rebels. > >>everyone in the country >>supported the government. > >This never was the case in any country, is not now, and probably never will be. >Besides, if everyone supported the government, there wouldn't have been any >rebels for the CIA to support. > >> but the whole situation was caused by the CIA. > >The CIA does to Nicaragua what Nicaragua was already doing to El Salvador in >order to coerce Nicaragua into stopping and the whole situation is the CIA's >fault? Two wrongs don't make a right, but your logic is twisted. There is no evidence that Nicaragua ever supplied anything other than small arms to the guerillas (while the U.S. is sending hundreds of millions of dollars a year to "our" friends, the government). There have been absolutely no arms shipments intercepted since 1981. Please recognize a pretext for what it is. Ronald Reagan wants to overthrow the Nicaraguan government. It is no longer acceptable (thank [Gg]od) to simply do that. So he has to invent a pretext (e.g. medical students are in danger, or some such B.S.). The arms shipments is the pretext for a holding action on Nicaragua until after the election. Who wants to bet that one of Ronnies December surprises will be either (a) a covert action against the Nicaraguan government resulting in a coup and prolonged civil war, or (b) an out-and-out U.S. invasion of Central America following some trumped-up pictures of Soviet bases or some such. I'll put money on it. As to support for the Nicaraguan revolution, I'll remind you of Andrew Jackson's famous quote on the American revolution: "There was a third 'fer, a third agin' and a third waitin' to see the outcome." Nevertheless, Nicaragua's revolution had very broad support and the social chaos there now is a textbook example of what destabilization can do to a country. All Americans should be ashamed of what is done abroad in our names. I make a point of distinguishing between the American people and the American government for that reason. Most Americans would not do what the goons in the CIA do in our name. Mike Kelly
brener@milrat.DEC (09/26/84)
> the cia assistance will supposedly stop as soon as Nicaragua stops >supporting the El Salvador rebels. boy, have i got a bridge for you! by the way, the massive surveilance equipment has failed to come up with credible evidence of arms support to the El Salvadoran rebels from Nicaragua. (This was stated by a high ranking CIA officer and reported in the N.Y. TIMES about 2 months ago). Of course, every once in a while we see Ronnie hold up a shadowy nondiscript picture and point a an amorphous blob and proclaim RUSSIANS!!!! or NICARAGUANS!!!!! or CUBANS!!! > if everyone supported the (nicaraguan) government, there wouln't have >been any rebels for the CIA to support. The rebels supported by the CIA earn approximately *20 times* what the average nicaraguan earns. They have ritually blown up childcare centers, hospitals and have kidnapped, tortured and murdered families. Many of these rebels are ex-Somocista's of the dreaded National Guard. >The CIA does to Nicargua what Nicaragua was already doing to El Salvador >in order to coerce Nicaragua into stopping As I have stated, one of the biggest frustrations of the administration is they have been unable to prove this. >> If they hadn't interfered (CIA) .... the economy and the education >>program would be in much better state by now. >Couldn't we say the same about how things would be in El Salvador if >Nicaragua hadn't interfered? NO!, as long as government sponsored institutionalized terrorism is the ruling force, there will never be peace in El Salvador, Nicaragua or no Nicaragua.