[net.politics] number one lie

danw@oliven.UUCP (danw) (12/08/84)

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>>...This seems to exclude the right of a human to own land, which
>>was not created by any human.

	This has got to be the number one socialist lie of all time.

The underlying motivation is greed. All things produced by the
hands of the workers belong ONLY to the workers. All other things 
don't count as "real" and can be ceased by the socialist state 
and the wealth redistributed.
	The historical documentation of the failures of ALL forms of
socialism is irrefutable. 
And the attacks on the philosopical underpinings of capitalism continue
without taking the slightest notice of this.
	It may very well be that greed is the most powerful emotion
of all.


					danw

mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) (12/11/84)

> 
>         The historical documentation of the failures of ALL forms of
> socialism is irrefutable. 
> And the attacks on the philosopical underpinings of capitalism continue
> without taking the slightest notice of this.

Hey!  This is interesting. At last we have the prospect of getting
some facts from a Libertarian.  I can't wait for the followup containing
this historical irrefutable evidence.  No-one else has seen it yet, which
is why the debate has continued "without taking the slightest notice" of it.
-- 

Martin Taylor
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faustus@ucbcad.UUCP (12/12/84)

> >         The historical documentation of the failures of ALL forms of
> > socialism is irrefutable. 
> > And the attacks on the philosopical underpinings of capitalism continue
> > without taking the slightest notice of this.
> 
> Hey!  This is interesting. At last we have the prospect of getting
> some facts from a Libertarian.  I can't wait for the followup containing
> this historical irrefutable evidence.  No-one else has seen it yet, which
> is why the debate has continued "without taking the slightest notice" of it.

Can you point to a single instance of a socialist economy working better
than a capitalist economy in the same sort of conditions?  Or for that
matter, of a real communist utopian state evolving out of a socialist
state, as Marx predicted?  I don't know what sorts of attacks on capitalism
te origonal poster was refering to, but most of them that I have heard
involve the "social injustice" of capitalism. They seldom consider the
social injustice in socialist countries, which is certainly much greater
than in most capitalist countries.

	Wayne