[net.politics] Wanted: Sufficient proof that Tutu is anti-Semitic

jefff@cadovax.UUCP (Jeffery H. Fields) (01/04/85)

In a recent article, Joaquim Martillo claims that the Nobel Peace Prize
winner Desmond Tutu is an anti-Semite.  He states:

>Tutu cited the wall of separation  between  Jews  and  Gentiles  at  the
>temple  in  Jerusalem  as  a  model  for  the racial separation in South
>Africa.  This is simply just disgusting bigoted racial antiSemitism from
>the worst of the nineteenth century German critique of Judaism.  Judaism

Martillo goes on to explain that the wall of separation constitutes religious
and racial tolerance instead of a model for apartheid.  Because Tutu does not
share this view, he is a disgusting anti-Semite.

Whether or not the wall represents racial bigotry or sublime tolerance is  
irrelevant.  Stating one's agreement with either view cannot be considered
racist.  Just because someone disagrees with another's views does not mean
that that someone is a racist.  It simply means that two people having two
different views regarding an issue.

To demonstrate Tutu is an anti-Semite requires corrobarating evidence.  This
would entail documenting any concrete actions Tutu has made to opress Jews.
I would also be sufficient proof if it were documented that Tutu has made an
*overtly* anti-Semitic statement at anytime.  I challenge Martillo to come up
with such sufficient proof.

-- 

				Jeff Fields
				{ucbvax,ihnp4,decvax}!trwrb!cadovax!jefff

Pax Vobiscum.

martillo@mit-athena.ARPA (Joaquim Martillo) (01/06/85)

I  should like Jeff Fields to define what he considers anti-Semitic.  If
Joe McCarthy had claimed that Judaism had provided the model for  Soviet
Marxist  practice,  I  suspect all the great liberals would have accused
him of anti-Semitism.   Now  apartheid  is  an  extremely  reprehensible
social system and Tutu claims Jewish practice of 2000 years ago provided
the model for apartheid.  Perhaps, I should not even  have  bothered  to
explain the Jewish practice; the claim that the practice of my ancestors
of almost 2 millenia ago provides the model for a  system  started  less
than   2  centuries  ago  is  simply  moronic  and  reminds  me  of  the
right-wingers who  consider  the  Jews  guilty  for  communism,  of  the
traditional  Christian  anti-semites  who  consider  the  Jews guilty as
deicides, of the Sunni Muslims who consider the Jews guilty of murdering
Muhammad (who died of old age) and who consider the Jews responsible for
the Shia and of the Shiites who consider the Jews  responsible  for  the
martyrdom  of `Ali.  These seem to me all to be prima facie anti-Semitic
beliefs (probably also secunda et tertia facie ad infinitum).

arnold@ucsfcgl.UUCP (Ken Arnold%CGL) (01/09/85)

If this discussion about Bishop Tutu's alleged anti-Semitism started
with a verbatim transcript of what he actually said, it did not reach
this site.  Since I did not see his speech, could someone send me a
transcript?  If it did not get on the net, I would recommend a general
posting, rather than mail, since it would enlighten those of us trying
to reach some conclusions about this question.

		Ken Arnold