[net.politics] Accuracy in discussion: handguns versus knives; damage potential

karl@osu-eddie.UUCP (Karl Kleinpaste) (01/16/85)

Recently,  there  have  been   several  articles   discussing  the  relative
damage-causing potential  of  firearms versus  knives. I wish to discuss the
aspect of the accuracy of the discussion.

The part of the discussion to which I object is when someone posts something
like,  "handguns usually kill with one shot." This is nonsense;  it  ignores
the physics of firearms, as well as the biology of humans.

The physics: In point of fact, a firearm possesses exactly 2 advantages over
a knife. First, it can do damage from a distance; with a knife, you have  to
get close enough to struggle, but  with  a firearm, you can hit someone from
across  the  room.  Second, it has the advantage of the  raw  power  of  the
impact; a knife simply cannot achieve the 1200 m/sec muzzle velocity of some
firearms. These facts lead to the following conclusion about firearms versus
knives:

The reason that a firearm kills is the same that a knife kills: they destroy
tissue.  The idea with both is to destroy enough tissue, or just  the  right
tissue, to cause the target to be incapable of supporting itself further.

The biology: Based on this,  you  have to  do the same *type* of damage with
either  weapon. The only way to make sure that you "kill with one  shot"  is
the same way to make sure that you "kill with one stab": you have to hit the
base of the brain, the carotid artery, or a temple. All other injuries cause
death very slowly,  usually  by  bleeding  to  death. Even hitting the heart
won't  make someone keel over, immediately dead. That myth is propagated  by
the massive irresponsibility of film and tv-show makers, those same folk who
would  like  you  to  believe that every car that turns  over  is  going  to
explode. Gun battles in the street  (think "John Wayne"; gads) where someone
gets  hit  in the chest and falls over dead are pure fiction, in  more  ways
than one.

A couple cases in point: I was out  hunting  with my father one time about 8
years  ago.  He  found a deer which he intended to take.  We  were  in  good
position, less than 40 yards from the animal, and were hidden from its view.
My  father  took careful aim, and finally squeezed off a  shot.  The  animal
shuddered from  the  impact...and  then it  ran.  My father was furious with
himself,  believing  himself to have missed a "gift shot"  and  having  only
wounded the animal. Now the two  of  us would  have to track the animal over
possibly many miles to make sure we got that one animal; it is true  cruelty
to only wound an animal, and then go after a different one.

We walked about a quarter mile,  following  its tracks (the ground was quite
dry,  and the animal left clear tracks), and then found the animal  dead  in
the path. In looking the animal over, my father observed that he had hit the
animal  exactly  where  he wanted to, in the chest, right  where  the  heart
should be. In dressing the animal, we opened it up, and found that it had no
heart  left. My father's shot had hit the animal at the perfect spot,  taken
out the heart by bursting it with the bullet, but the animal was too alarmed
and  too stupid to realize that, effectively, it was already dead. The  only
things supporting it for its  quarter-mile  run were the oxygen remaining in
its blood at the time, and adrenalin.

Humans are much the same  way.  Destroying  an  organ in the chest, even the
heart,  will  not cause a person to stop instantly. He won't stop  until  he
bleeds to death (typical) or his  heart stops, such as the case above with a
deer. The fact that the heart itself was hit was the only thing that made it
stop as quickly as it did, and still not instantly.

Also, you will recall that in  the  1981  attack  on President Reagan, James
Brady was hit. Mr Brady took a bullet in the forehead. Surgeons operated  on
him for many hours, and removed  a  bullet  which was lodged a full 2 inches
into the brain, that most vital of organs. Mr Brady is not fully  recovered,
but he is hardly dead, and far from helpless. The one thing that seems truly
lost  is his sense of smell, because the bullet passed through that part  of
the brain dealing with that sense, and the tissue for it is gone.

My point is that you  cannot  claim  that  a  firearm kills in one shot; you
can't claim that a firearm kills in 10 shots. All you can claim is that both
firearms and knives kill, and  that  firearms  are  more likely to kill.  To
claim otherwise is inaccurate and counterproductive information.

So please:  when  posting  on  subjects  like  this,  make  sure  that  your
information  comes  from  a  reliable source, or  that  you  are  personally
experienced. This sort of  non-information about killing with one shot makes
no friends among those of us who *are* experienced.
-- 
Karl Kleinpaste @ Bell Labs, Columbus   614/860-5107  +==-> cbrma!kk
                @ Ohio State University 614/422-0915  osu-eddie!karl