[net.politics] Economic Issues -- Reply to Mc Kiernan

carnes@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP (Richard Carnes) (02/19/85)

The Perfesser writes:
>     Mr Torek requests empirical evidence to back up my claim that the
>existing 'concentrations of economic power are maintained by exercising
>political power', and 'could not persist in a Free Economy' 'Because of
>diseconomies of scale -- especially informational diseconomies.'  Empirical
>evidence can be found in the fact that all such concentrations were
>obtained with political privilege, that such concentrations have generally
>become more stable as government meddling in the economy has grown, and
>that X-inefficiencies eventually eat up the profits of most licensed
>monopolies.

In the absence of a definition of a "Free Economy" it is difficult to
discuss this issue, but to judge from Daniel's references to a Free
Economy, I would say that it would require a strong state to exist
and persist, as does the current form of capitalism in the US.  So I
don't see any reason to believe that there would be less potential
for economic concentration in a Free Economy due to the exercise of
political power than in the existing American economy.  Furthermore,
I don't see how people can be divested of political motives merely by
being placed in a Free Economy; thus I would expect government
"meddling" in the economy to continue.  Would Daniel please clarify
his understanding of this issue. 

>     Torek claims that my claim that 'Socialist economics were completely
>blown out of the water several decades ago by Ludwig Edler von Mises' is
>'based on a blatantly false definition of "Socialist" as implying the
>absence of markets.'  Actually, von Mises blew Market Socialism out of the
>water as well (Torek needs to do more research on the Calculation Debate).

In case anyone is interested, Piero Sraffa blew all varieties of
free-market economics, including von Mises', completely out of the
water with the 1960 publication of *Production of Commodities by
Means of Commodities*.  The basic idea of this book is that prices,
far from efficiently allocating scarce resources, are themselves
determined by, not determinants of, the distribution of income
between social classes.  Thus all forms of economics based on the
paradigm of the marketplace's efficient allocation of scarce
resources have now bit the dust (Mc Kiernan needs to do more research
on the theory of effective demand).  

Richard Carnes, ihnp4!gargoyle!carnes