black@nisysg.DEC (02/25/85)
GentlePeople:
First of all, my humble apologies for the use of the generic term
"Gentlemen" in my previous submission. It seems some are easily offended
by the non-use of Unisex terms.
It seems others are offended by my willingness to defend the rights of
individuals and sovereign citizens by the use of force. I guess it's perfectly
alright for people of other nations to assert their right to self-determination
by armed glorious revolutions. But it would appear the same does not hold true
when a citizen of the United States indicates a willingness to take up arms in
defense of his own country. Is that the way it works?
But then there are those who hold that we no longer have a right to exert
our sovereignty as a Nation. They say, "We have an obligation to give up our
wealth for the betterment of the World. Pro buono publico, as it were."
A perfect example of this is our good friends at the United Nations.
It exists allegedly to assure peace in our time. But since its inception,
the world has seen more wars and bloodshed than in any other period in history.
Why, then, does the government of the United States tolerate its functioning
on our turf?
The answer is obvious. There are certain groups whose only goal is to
destroy the United States as a Nation, seize our property, and subject our
people to slavery. One only has to pick up newspaper to find out who they
are.
But are we supposed to sit back and let this happen? No! The ninth
and tenth amendments to the Constitution of 1787 specifically name the
People of the United States as the fourth and highest branch of govern-
ment. If the other three branches ceased to function, the people have
the full Constitutional authority to assume the powers of government. But
we as a Nation have lost sight of this. The very first Federal Law, the
Declaration of Independence (which is still in full force and effect),
specifies that the American People have the right and duty to dissolve
a government which becomes abusive of the rights of the people.
The Constitution also states that it and only it is the Supreme Law
of the Land. There is absolutely no provision in this document for the
submission of the sovereignty of the United States to the authority of
any World Government or any agency thereof.
Some people may not agree with me about this. But rest assured that
I would defend with my life your right to disagree.
Don Black
Path: ...decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-nisysg!black
"Let Freedom ring!"
--M.L. King, Jr.
Washington DC, 1963
david@fisher.UUCP (David Rubin) (02/27/85)
> = Don Black, " " = David Rubin > A perfect example of this is our good friends at the United Nations. >It exists allegedly to assure peace in our time. But since its inception, >the world has seen more wars and bloodshed than in any other period in history. Don has forgotten that World War I and World War II occurred BEFORE the UN came into existance. Also, Don implies that the wars which have occurred have done so BECAUSE of the UN; he will need stronger evidence to refute the notion that they have occurred in SPITE of the UN. > Why, then, does the government of the United States tolerate its functioning > on our turf? > > The answer is obvious. There are certain groups whose only goal is to > destroy the United States as a Nation, seize our property, and subject our > people to slavery. One only has to pick up newspaper to find out who they > are. I pick up the newspaper lots, and I haven't noticed ANY group whose ONLY purpose is to destroy the US. Some nations (e.g. the USSR) might view this as an incidental goal, but I think Don's list of the "enemies of the people" would be fascinating. > But are we supposed to sit back and let this happen? No! The ninth > and tenth amendments to the Constitution of 1787 specifically name the > People of the United States as the fourth and highest branch of govern- > ment. If the other three branches ceased to function, the people have > the full Constitutional authority to assume the powers of government. But > we as a Nation have lost sight of this. The very first Federal Law, the > Declaration of Independence (which is still in full force and effect), > specifies that the American People have the right and duty to dissolve > a government which becomes abusive of the rights of the people. Read the Constitution again, Don. The people are NOT named as an agency of government (in fact, the founders of our country had a healthy distrust of popular passions), and it is the states to whom the Constitution reserves powers not belonging to the federal government. Moreover, there is no provision in the Constitution which lays out contingency plans should the government fail to function. The Declaration of Independence is not a law, though you at least are unmistaken regarding its content. However, we must be careful in deciding when the government has indeed become abusive, as (1) Many people have rather strange ideas of what is a "right", and (2) Constitutional government of any kind could not survive if anytime an individual felt that the government was "abusive", he took up arms against it. Someone's always got a grievence. > The Constitution also states that it and only it is the Supreme Law > of the Land. There is absolutely no provision in this document for the > submission of the sovereignty of the United States to the authority of > any World Government or any agency thereof. There is provision in the Constitution for the voluntary restriction by the US of its own sovereign rights; it's called "treaty ratification", and the provisions regarding it are quite clear. This is dangerously close to being a tautology, but the fact is that no treaty is unconstitutional unless it violates the Constitution. Thus, a treaty which provided for the transfer of weapons or money, or required or proscribed certain actions by our government abroad would be a constitutional cession of some degree of sovereignty, while a treaty which permitted a foreign power to enter an American's home without proper warrant would not be. David Rubin {allegra|astrovax|princeton}!fisher!david
al@ames.UUCP (Al Globus) (03/05/85)
> > The answer is obvious. There are certain groups whose only goal is to > destroy the United States as a Nation, seize our property, and subject our > people to slavery. One only has to pick up newspaper to find out who they > are. > I can't think of any except perhaps a few fringe groups with no real power. You might say the USSR, but their policy towards us is much as ours is towards them - blow them to smithereens if they attack us. Russia has a lot of expanding to do before it gets to North America. Although nobody has seriously threatened us since 1814 (the end of the War of 1812), unless you count Pearl Harbor, we have invaded almost every country in North America, some more than once, and quite a few in the rest of the world. Maybe those invasions were justified, but I doubt that all - or even most - were. DOD's mission is to defend the US and AMERICAN INTERESTS AROUND THE GLOBE. I've got no problem with defending the U.S. If we're invaded you might find me in your unit. But 'American interests' is a code word for the American global military empire - which I definitely don't like. I also don't like the habit of going to war without the constitutionally mandated Congression declaration of war. I feel that fighting a war without Congressional declaration - except maybe the first day or two - is, well, UNAMERICAN, and should not be done by any real patriot.