orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER) (03/29/85)
Yes, I am biased, I am opposed to warfare and the idea that murdering
people in "war" is justified. I am just as opposed to terrorism which
is really just an extension of war but by groups that aren't actually
the government. War and the "accidental" killing of innocent civilians
may deter opponents through sheer terror. But at the same time it sows
the seeds of hate and retaliatory violence. Israel should never have
invaded Lebanon- they may have succeeded in largely removing the PLO but
in its stead Israel's warfare has created a whole new opposition by
fostering the hate of the Shi-ites.
As soon as anyone criticizes Israel they are immediately attacked as
"anti-semitic". I am not anti-semitic, but I am not a "semitiphiliac"
either. Just because Jews were slaughtered in WW II does not give them
the right to slaughter others, or to take their land and rights.
I suggest people interested in this issue read the book, "To be an
Arab in Israel". The author is *not* antisemitic, nor a supporter of
PLO terrorism, and in fact was aided at times by liberal Jewish friends.
He was thrown in jail for his writings, his family's land was taken by
the Israeli army. He does not blame the new Jewish settlers for this:
he says that they all believed the myth that they were coming in to
settle "an empty desert". How could they know that before they came
to settle the area where his familiy had lived for generations that
the Israeli army had thrown out his family and all the other native
Palestinians living there? That the army systematically razed the houses
of those who had lived there and then stored the materials to use
when the new settlers arrived?
Israel is now doing the same thing in the West Bank. Am I wrong to say
that this is *wrong*?
tim sevener whuxl!orbmms1646@acf4.UUCP (Michael M. Sykora) (04/01/85)
>/* FROM:orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER) / 9:00 am Mar 29, 1985 */ > >Just because Jews were slaughtered in WW II does not give them >the right to slaughter others, or to take their land and rights. I have seen this argument presented a couple of times on the net. I haven't, however, seen anyone advancing the idea the idea that Jews "have the right to slaughter others . . .," probably because it is manifestly absurd. Is it possible that SEVENER and others heard this once and now attribute it to all those who take a contrary position on these matters?