[net.politics] A Review of "Hard Questions About Arms Control"

mjk@tty3b.UUCP (Mike Kelly) (03/28/85)

OK, I bought Reader's Digest and read the condensation of a Commentary
article on arms control.  Tom Hill suggested that Tim and I do so in
a previous article.  

I found the article vague and, at points, contradictory.  For example,
Mr. Weiss (the author) says "If an agreement limits U.S. power to
support friendly states that want to resist Soviet power, it has served
an important Soviet objective."  Notice that he does not reference a
single treaty that actually *does* this.  This is like saying, "If I
make an agreement with you that let's you kill my sister, I'm not a
very good negotiator."    If there is such a treaty, I do not
know of it.   Apparently neither does Mr. Weiss.

"... the Soviet Union will sign arms-control agreements with the West only if
such agreements are consistent with its fundamental political objectives..."
Is this supposed to be some sort of revelation?  What kind of agreements 
would any state sign except those that are consistent with its fundamental
political objectives?

"The United States, by the nature of its society, can be expected to
adhere to a strict interpretation of the terms.  The Soviets, in contrast,
have flagrantly violated agreements."  I *like* America.  I'm not too crazy
about the USSR.  But I certainly don't believe that the United
States "can be expected to adhere to a strict interpretation" of any treaty
it negotiates.  That's what verification is for  -- because neither side
trusts the other.  There have been both U.S. and Soviet charges of treaty
violations.  To imply that the violations have been
one-sided and to claim the Soviets have "flagrantly" violated treaties
(again, without *any* substantiation) is simply dishonest.  Mr. Weiss does
not mention that *every* violation brought up for mediation has been
resolved to the satisfaction of the U.S.  The open charges of violations 
are unresolved because, until recently, the Reagan Administration refused
to use the channels established by treaty to deal with them.

In the beginning of the article, Mr. Weiss says "the number of U.S.
nuclear weapons has been declining ... [t]his has been the result
of modernization designed to put safer, more effective weapons in our
inventory."  Later, he says "Given the massive Soviet buildup, [a good
treaty] will involve large Soviet reductions, especially in missile
throw-weight ... Admittedly, such Soviet concessions are not highly
probable."  Now why, if we have reduced throw-weight as part of
modernization, should we consider the greater Soviet throw-weight a
threat?  Isn't it a fact that the Soviets have relied on larger, less-accurate
missiles while we have modernized to smaller, more acccurate missiles?  
Isn't Mr. Weiss pulling a sleight-of-hand here, implying that "big is 
better"?  

There are other deceptions.  Mr. Weiss cites a study showing that the
Soviets have pulled ahead in a number of areas since the Cuban Missile
Crisis.  Is this surprising when one realizes that, in the early 60's,
the U.S. held a overwhelming superiority in nuclear weapons by virtue of
having been the first to develop them?  Did anyone doubt that the Soviets
would eventually develop their own systems, especially since the U.S.
at that point refused to negotiate comprehensive limits on the basis that
since we were ahead, why negotiate limitations on ourselves?

In short, Mr. Weiss cites few facts, and those he does cite seem almost
purposefully deceptive.  He plays on jingoistic desires for "superiority"
without explaining the enormous risks of pursuing such a policy.  

Mike Kelly

thill@ssc-bee.UUCP (Tom Hill) (03/29/85)

> OK, I bought Reader's Digest and read the condensation of a Commentary
> article on arms control.  Tom Hill suggested that Tim and I do so in
> a previous article.  
> 
> I found the article vague and, at points, contradictory.  

This is how I have found your own articles.

> For example,
> Mr. Weiss (the author) says "If an agreement limits U.S. power to
> support friendly states that want to resist Soviet power, it has served
> an important Soviet objective."  Notice that he does not reference a
> single treaty that actually *does* this.

You are also quoting him out of context and then follow with an unrelated
example.  He did not say that the U.S. had signed such an agreement, only
only that we should avoid doing so.
> 
> "... the Soviet Union will sign arms-control agreements with the West only if
> such agreements are consistent with its fundamental political objectives..."
> Is this supposed to be some sort of revelation?  What kind of agreements 
> would any state sign except those that are consistent with its fundamental
> political objectives?

Once again you quote out of context.  He was answering the question "Isn't
arms control a practical imperative for both side?"  And then states "Not
for the Soviet Union."  He then state why he believe this to be true and
makes the statement that you quoted.  I find it funny that you replaced
"Consequently" with three dots so you would have to explain what he
actually said.
> 
> In short, Mr. Weiss cites few facts, and those he does cite seem almost
> purposefully deceptive.  He plays on jingoistic desires for "superiority"
> without explaining the enormous risks of pursuing such a policy.  
> 
> Mike Kelly

Simply put, you did not like the opinions stated and wrote your response
as a knee jerk reaction.  You both quoted and twisted what he said.  Again
I suggest that you read the article and maybe a bit more carefully this
time.  I don't care if you don't agree with what he said.  Try, however,
not to be "puposefully deceptive" the next time you quote an author.

Tom Hill

al@ames.UUCP (Al Globus) (04/04/85)

> 
> "The United States, by the nature of its society, can be expected to
> adhere to a strict interpretation of the terms [of a treaty].
>

The American Indians would certainly be surprised to hear this.  We 
broke practically every treaty we ever made with them, even though
we usually dictated the terms in the first place.  One treaty gave
almost the entire western US to the Indians "in perteputity" (sp).
The US also violated the 1954 Geneva accords on Vietnam in the
early '60s by building up troops, rather than only replacing them
as required.  These violations were deliberately covered
up by distributing the troops in small groups.  I like living here, I like
our form of government, but there is ample evidence to suggest that
we cannot be trusted to keep the treaties we make if we can get
away with breaking them.