[net.politics] More on net.politics.nukes/net.politics.arms

gjk@talcott.UUCP (Greg Kuperberg) (04/12/85)

A week or so ago I suggested to the net that net.politics.nukes or
net.politics.arms be created.  As usual, most of the posters in
net.politics are preoccupied with actually arguing about weapons and war
than with whether or not there should be a subgroup created for such
discussion.  Nevertheless, the following people mailed to me indicating
that they wished for a new subgroup:

Login:			Name:			Voted for:
gjk@talcott		Greg Kuperberg		net.politics.arms
egs@gamma		Ed Sheppard		net.politics.arms
msb@lsuc		Mark Brader		net.politics.arms
matthews@harvard	Jim Matthews		net.politics.nukes
mjk@ttrdc		(none given)		net.politics.nukes
dbrown@watarts		Dave Brown		net.politics.nukes
cjh@petsd		Christopher J. Henrich	net.politics.arms

Also, note that three nukes people did not say that an arms subgroup would
be unacceptable or even worse than a nukes subgroup.  Therefore I think
that we should go ahead with net.politics.arms.

While, it's true that not that many people replied in favor, it's also true
that absolutely *no one* replied by mail against the creation of a
subgroup.  Only one dissenting opinion was posted, and that was by Mike
Williams (mike@erix).  Mr. Williams, however, was concerned with the fact
that Europe was about to be cut off from net.politics entirely; since he
lost that argument (i.e. net.politics is no longer on eunet), his
objections to net.politics.nukes/arms are now moot.

So I think it's high time we created net.politics.arms.  Those of you with
administrative powers on the net know who you are.  Please, someone, *create
this subgroup*!
-- 
			Greg Kuperberg
		     harvard!talcott!gjk

"The eerily accurate drawing of Goetz showed the face of the 'before'
figure in comic-book ads for body-building devices."-Time Magazine, April 8 

medin@ucbvax.ARPA (Milo Medin) (04/14/85)

> A week or so ago I suggested to the net that net.politics.nukes or
> net.politics.arms be created.  As usual, most of the posters in
> net.politics are preoccupied with actually arguing about weapons and war
> than with whether or not there should be a subgroup created for such
> discussion.  Nevertheless, the following people mailed to me indicating
> that they wished for a new subgroup:
> 
> Login:			Name:			Voted for:
> gjk@talcott		Greg Kuperberg		net.politics.arms
> egs@gamma		Ed Sheppard		net.politics.arms
> msb@lsuc		Mark Brader		net.politics.arms
> matthews@harvard	Jim Matthews		net.politics.nukes
> mjk@ttrdc		(none given)		net.politics.nukes
> dbrown@watarts		Dave Brown		net.politics.nukes
> cjh@petsd		Christopher J. Henrich	net.politics.arms
> 
> Also, note that three nukes people did not say that an arms subgroup would
> be unacceptable or even worse than a nukes subgroup.  Therefore I think
> that we should go ahead with net.politics.arms.
> 
> While, it's true that not that many people replied in favor, it's also true
> that absolutely *no one* replied by mail against the creation of a
> subgroup.  Only one dissenting opinion was posted, and that was by Mike
> Williams (mike@erix).  Mr. Williams, however, was concerned with the fact
> that Europe was about to be cut off from net.politics entirely; since he
> lost that argument (i.e. net.politics is no longer on eunet), his
> objections to net.politics.nukes/arms are now moot.
> 
> So I think it's high time we created net.politics.arms.  Those of you with
> administrative powers on the net know who you are.  Please, someone, *create
> this subgroup*!
> -- 
> 			Greg Kuperberg
> 		     harvard!talcott!gjk
> 
> "The eerily accurate drawing of Goetz showed the face of the 'before'
> figure in comic-book ads for body-building devices."-Time Magazine, April 8 


I for one wouldn't like to see a seperate news group.  I think many
others out there agree with me, but didn't think the issue
was that important.  Let me then go on record opposing a  new
group...

					Milo

edhall@randvax.UUCP (Ed Hall) (04/16/85)

I agree with Milo: we should *not* have a separate group just for arms
discussions.  Sad though it may be, arms (and often nuclear arms) are a
potential component of almost any discussion of international politics.
I see little reason for the net to cater to those who irrationally wish
to exclude this component from their discussion.  Those who oppose the
use of arms have a special stake in avoiding such segregation.

On the otherhand, a separate group for discussing international politics,
superpower foreign policy, and other such things would be a good idea.
This would filter out a lot of the libertarian/seatbelt/gun-control/-type
discussions.  If traffic and content are resonable, it might even allow
a political newsgroup to receive European distribution again.

So, net.politics.arms, No; net.politics.international, Yes.

		-Ed Hall
		decvax!randvax!edhall.UUCP
		edhall@rand-unix.ARPA