[net.politics] Why not here?

nyssa@abnji.UUCP (nyssa of traken) (04/10/85)

From the Guardian:

RUSSIANS ANNOUNCE NUCLEAR FREEZE

From Martin Walker in Moscow and Hella Pick in London

/* quoted w/o permission */

	Mr. Mikhail Gorbachev last night announced a Soviet freeze for the next
months in the deployment of nuclear missles in Europe, as an act of goodwill to
give the Geneva negotiations a new momentum.  The future of the freeze after
November would depend on Nato's response.
	Mr. Gorbachev's statement makes a US-Soviet summit later this year a
near certainty.
	The arms control dimension of Nr. Gorbachev's initiative was
immediately rejected by the White House as a rehash of earlier proposals which
would leave the Russians with an overwhelming superiority in medium-range
nuclear missles.

/* a lot more, but you get the jist. */

Yet another potential peace initiative from Moscow.  Scorn from Washington as
the present administration drives for mythical nuclear superiority.  Just
what we've come to expect.
-- 
James C. Armstrong, Jnr.  ihnp4!abnji!nyssa

The cameras are still on, let the show begin!
I want to hear them scream, until I'm deaf with pleasure!  I want to see their
limbs twist in excruciating pain!  Ultimately, their blood must gush and
flow through all the gutters of Varos!

mjk@ttrdc.UUCP (Mike Kelly) (04/11/85)

Although I continue to believe that a comprehensive Freeze would be the
most progressive step taken towards nuclear sanity in forty years, I
think there's another question for those who denounce the Soviet offer
of a freeze on intermediate-range nuclear weapons in Europe:

	Why did the Reagan Administration respond so quickly
	and so vehemently in the negative?  Why not say, well,
	that may not be perfect, but let's make a reasonable
	counter-offer?   Instead, the official line from the
	White House was, "If they want to Freeze, fine."   What
	a snide remark.   What awful diplomacy.  Unless, of
	course, achieving an agreement is the furthest thing
	from your concerns....

Flora Lewis in the Times pointed out that Reagan's new approach to
foreign policy seems to be, OK, I'll talk and in return I get all
the "bargaining chips" I want.  Thus, I'll send a hawk to Geneva
to "negotiate"; in return, you vote for the MX or you're sabotaging
my negotiations.  I'll tell the contra's to "negotiate" with the
Nicaraguan government; in return, you'll vote for $14 million in
"humanitarian" aid (a new concept: humanitarian aid to terrorists;
next he'll be pleading for medicine and food for Islamic Jihad; and
surprise! the amount needed for medicine and food *just happens* to
be the same amount needed for guns and bullets last week.)

Mike Kelly

nyssa@abnji.UUCP (nyssa of traken) (04/12/85)

Funny thing is, this is at least the second Soviet nuclear freeze
in Europe since 20 Jan, 1981.  The first past without response
from 1600 Penn Ave, I guess this one will as well.
-- 
Nyssa of Traken, now employed at Terminus Hospital, Inc.
				ihnp4!abnji!nyssa

The cameras are still on, let the show begin!
I want to hear them scream, until I'm deaf with pleasure!  I want to see their
limbs twist in excruciating pain!  Ultimately, their blood must gush and
flow through all the gutters of Varos!

matthews@harvard.ARPA (Jim Matthews) (04/15/85)

> Funny thing is, this is at least the second Soviet nuclear freeze
> in Europe since 20 Jan, 1981.  The first past without response
> from 1600 Penn Ave, I guess this one will as well.
> -- 
> Nyssa of Traken, now employed at Terminus Hospital, Inc.
> 				ihnp4!abnji!nyssa

	How about the U.S. nuclear freeze?  We haven't built a strategic
land-based system since 1971.  We haven't built a strategic bomber 
since 1962.  In fact, in both those areas we have destroyed weapons,
such as Titan IIs and older B-52s.  These "freezes" didn't pass without
response, however -- they were greeted with the SS-18, the SS-19, and
the Blackjack.

Jim Matthews
matthews@harvard

nyssa@abnji.UUCP (nyssa of traken) (04/18/85)

An additional fact:  although the USSR has deployed over 400
SS-20 missles, less than 300 are deployed in Europe, the
remainder are aimed at China.
-- 
James C. Armstrong, Jnr.		ihnp4!abnji!nyssa

In the sight of the Great Video, and of Varos, who gave his name to
our planet, we pray that you accept the lives of these humble deviants,
in recompense for their sins.  We also pray that you look benignly upon
us, and down upon your people as servants.