mck@ratex.UUCP (Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan) (04/22/85)
Lines marked '>' are from Baba. >I seem to recall that one of the examples of ludicrous straw men given >by DKMcK was in fact a proposition put forward by a self-proclaimed >libertarian several weeks earlier. 1) Rather than seeming to recall, why doesn't Baba give us a concrete example? 2) The time that I attacked Baba for using a straw-man, he had claimed that Cliff had said a Libertarian country would need no lawyers, when Cliff had actually said that differences in the skill-levels of lawyers would not affect outcomes. Cliff's assertion may be debatable, but apparently Baba found it too challenging and opted to lie. Back later, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan
baba@spar.UUCP (Baba ROM DOS) (04/24/85)
> >I seem to recall that one of the examples of ludicrous straw men given > >by DKMcK was in fact a proposition put forward by a self-proclaimed > >libertarian several weeks earlier. > > 1) Rather than seeming to recall, why doesn't Baba give us a concrete > example? Quite simply, spar doesn't have enough disk space to archive more than a couple of weeks worth of news. Both your article and the one it put me in mind of are lost under the rainbow. If you would care to mail me a copy of your article, I'll be happy to tell you which example I was referring to. > 2) The time that I attacked Baba for using a straw-man, he had claimed > that Cliff had said a Libertarian country would need no lawyers, when > Cliff had actually said that differences in the skill-levels of lawyers > would not affect outcomes. Cliff's assertion may be debatable, but > apparently Baba found it too challenging and opted to lie. > > Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan Fortunately, postnews *does* save copies of my postings for me, including a quote from the infamous Cliff's Note: "Surprise, since the legal code would be so much easier to understand it would be inconceivable that a lawyer's prowess would enter into the play." Cliff subsequently explained that this was not precisely what he meant to say, and he and I have publicly agreed that my (mis)interpretation of his statement was natural and without malice, but not at all what he had intended. Rather than stoop to your level, I'll assume you missed that exchange. Baba
gabor@qantel.UUCP (Gabor Fencsik@ex2642) (04/26/85)
I am offended by DKMcK's cavalier charges of lying and libel against his opponents. Daniel, I think you are quite capable of giving us a lucid exposition of your views without Bolshevik debating tactics. You are participating in a multi-thread debate in which a number of people (including 'vulgar libertarians') are wearing the same colors as yourself. Mis-attributions are unavoidable and are not, in themselves, evidence of bad faith. So try to keep it civilized. Please. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Administer a powerful shock to the patient and yell at him: 'You are ill!' | | so that he is frightened and breaks out all over in a sweat. Then we will | | get him to take the treatment. | | Mao Tse-tung | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Gabor Fencsik {dual,nsc,hplabs,intelca,proper}!qantel!gabor