[net.politics] Kidnaping Shiites

barryg@sdcrdcf.UUCP (Lee Gold) (06/21/85)

So far the wierdest analysis of the hostage mess I have heard sounds
like the most believable one too.  The commentator explained that the
Shiites had been living peacefully in Lebanon until the Christian
Lebanese let the PLO settle there (on the grounds the PLO and Shiites
were both Arabs), startinhg an escalating conflict between Shiites and
PLO, with the Shiites now massacring the Palestinians to keep them from
resettling there so the Israelis wouldn't keep attacking their area.

All these attacks on the PLO have gotten the Shiites a bad name for being
soft on Israel/Jews.  So apparently at least one cause for the recent
seizure of hostages is for the Shiites to get themselves a good press
among their fellow Arabs as being properly anti-Israel/Jews.

This bears out my belief that the Middle East is totally insane, worse
than Northern Ireland.  The best thing to do with both places is probably
to lock all the people who want to die for their cause in an arena--and let
them kill one another.  Then maybe the people who prefer living can get on
with doing so.

--Lee Gold

mff@wuphys.UUCP (Mark Flynn) (06/23/85)

[The following excerpt has been edited to support my point of view.]


> All these attacks on the PLO have gotten the Shiites a bad name for being
> soft on Israel/Jews.  So apparently at least one cause for the recent
> seizure of hostages is for the Shiites to get themselves a good press
> among their fellow Arabs as being properly anti-Israel/Jews.
> 
> --Lee Gold

Soft on Israel?  Who do you think has been blowing up all of the Isreali
soldiers in southern Lebonon?  It's been your friend and mine, the Amal
malitia.  That's why this whole hostage thing got started (besides general
Middle East insanity): the Isrealis are holding about 700 Shiites prisoner to
try to convince Amal to stop.  The main demand of the people holding the
hostages is that these prisoners be released.




						Mark F. Flynn
						Department of Physics
						Washington University
						St. Louis, MO  63130
						ihnp4!wuphys!mff

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reza@ihuxb.UUCP (Reza Taheri) (06/25/85)

> This bears out my belief that the Middle East is totally insane, worse
> than Northern Ireland.  The best thing to do with both places is probably
> to lock all the people who want to die for their cause in an arena--and let
> them kill one another.  Then maybe the people who prefer living can get on
> with doing so.
> 
> --Lee Gold

   An extremely good idea :-).  And let us not forget to let Reagan,
Chernenko, and company to get in before you lock up the door :-).

H. Reza Taheri
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(312)-979-7473

jpexg@mit-hermes.ARPA (John Purbrick) (06/25/85)

That's one thing this latest kidnapping outrage may do--bring home to Americans
some costs (apart from financial ones, and we just borrow enough to cover 
those) associated with our uncritical support of Israel. Israel invades 
Lebanon, kills any number of people, sponsors Amal and the Phalange who kill
any number more, and we pay for it all. We send a battleship to bombard their
country at random and the CIA to train a few extra assassins of Shiites. Those
Shiites who survive hate our guts, and do all they can to hurt us. But before
reacting, let's think about why they're doing it, and what we can do, not to 
defeat them Israeli-style but how to stop them hating us.

"Billions for defense: not one cent for tribute!"
"Have you considered having fewer enemies?"

jpexg@mit-hermes.ARPA (John Purbrick) (06/26/85)

[From my posting of yesterday]
> Israel invades 
> Lebanon, kills any number of people, sponsors Amal and the Phalange who kill
> any number more, and we pay for it all.

What a twit. I meant, of course, that Israel sponsors the South Lebanon Army,
not Amal. Amal is a Shiite group. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

John Purbrick					jpexg@mit-hermes.ARPA
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mms1646@acf4.UUCP (Michael M. Sykora) (06/28/85)

>/* jpexg@mit-hermes.ARPA (John Purbrick) /  3:20 pm  Jun 25, 1985 */

>That's one thing this latest kidnapping outrage may do--bring home to
>Americans some costs (apart from financial ones, and we just borrow enough
>to cover those) associated with our uncritical support of Israel.

I agree that we shouldn't be giving our uncritical support (clearly, we
haven't been).  However, there is no reason to distort reality in order
to persuade people of this.