[net.politics] minimalism in government

colonel@gloria.UUCP (Col. G. L. Sicherman) (07/08/85)

["In the service of Virman Vundabar we learn perfection!"]

> > Laws should be the minimum
> > that permits society to function both freely and efficiently.  We can
> > argue about the means to that end, but I think that both libertarians
> > and socialists on the net would agree on the objective (fundamentalists
> > might not).
> This is indeed the view of utilitarians and libertarians , but I don't see
> how socialists fit in.  It seems to me that they wish to introduce laws
> promoting their own moral agenda, quite apart from considerations
> of freedom and efficiency (I assume you mean efficiency in the production
> of material wealth).

Socialists generally feel that the production of material wealth is
efficient enough now.  They are more interested in distributing
material wealth and producing non-material wealth (e.g., nursing
care, public transport).

Apart from political beliefs, many people want laws governing anything
they disapprove of.  This approach ought to appeal to those who think
of people as interdependent, but it doesn't always work that way.
-- 
Col. G. L. Sicherman
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mms1646@acf4.UUCP (Michael M. Sykora) (07/11/85)

>/* colonel@gloria.UUCP (Col. G. L. Sicherman) / 11:19 am  Jul  8, 1985 */

>Socialists generally feel that the production of material wealth is
>efficient enough now.  They are more interested in distributing
>material wealth and producing non-material wealth (e.g., nursing
>care, public transport).

If this is the case, then they make a fundamental error in assuming
that the switch from a decentralized market controlled economy to
one in which wealth is "distributed" will not affect the efficiency
of that economy in a drastically adverse way.

>Col. G. L. Sicherman

						Mike Sykora

baba@spar.UUCP (Baba ROM DOS) (07/12/85)

> >/* colonel@gloria.UUCP (Col. G. L. Sicherman) / 11:19 am  Jul  8, 1985 */
> 
> >Socialists generally feel that the production of material wealth is
> >efficient enough now.  They are more interested in distributing
> >material wealth and producing non-material wealth (e.g., nursing
> >care, public transport).
> 
> >Col. G. L. Sicherman
> 
> If this is the case, then they make a fundamental error in assuming
> that the switch from a decentralized market controlled economy to
> one in which wealth is "distributed" will not affect the efficiency
> of that economy in a drastically adverse way.
> 
> 						Mike Sykora

It not at all clear that they necessarily assume that there will be no 
adverse effect, although they have historically been over-optimistic about 
it.  They may simply be willing to sacrifice economic efficiency to achieve 
their objectives.

					Baba