[net.politics] To Todd Jones

arndt@lymph.DEC (08/05/85)

I laud you concern about the Third World turning to Communism.  However,
if you will pick up a recent paper you will find that to deliver the goods
(food, jobs, education) the Third World countries are turning en masse to
the West.  They turn to the East for things like police training, guns and
'advisors' who build military projects.  Of course there are some exceptions
to this flow but in the main this is accurate.

Communism has demonstrated to ALL the world that they can't deleiver the
good life to their OWN people much less to anyone else.  That is why,
contrary to your advise (spawned by cockamamy liberal views?) they are
inviting the multinational companies in to invest in their countries!
No one it seems (including the Russians) wants Russian washing machines.

Food IS a weapon we should be using.  You've just got it backwards.  How many
countries have to turn from breadbaskets and potential breadbaskets into
desserts under communism before YOU get the picture?

There is an old joke from the East to the effect that if the Communists took
over the Sahara Dessert in five years there would be a shortage of sand.

Aren't you glad I've cleared this up for you??

Regards,

Ken Arndt

todd@SCIRTP.UUCP (Todd Jones) (08/08/85)

> 
> I laud you concern about the Third World turning to Communism.  However,
> if you will pick up a recent paper you will find that to deliver the goods
> (food, jobs, education) the Third World countries are turning en masse to
> the West.  They turn to the East for things like police training, guns and
> 'advisors' who build military projects.  Of course there are some exceptions
> to this flow but in the main this is accurate.

	Kenneth, you're generalizing. While there may be some
	nations that seek peaceful resources from the west and
	weaponry from the east, they have to make a choice.
	The hard-liners typically cut off all aid to countries
	flirting with socialism/communism. "We'll starve 'em.
	That'll show 'em that America is a better ally!"

> Communism has demonstrated to ALL the world that they can't deleiver the
> good life to their OWN people much less to anyone else.  

What about China, Ken? They are experiencing downright prosperity compared
with pre-revolution China, despite doubling their population since then.
But as for Russian communism, I make no claims as to its efficiencies or
virtues. Read my first posting.

> That is why, contrary to your advise 
> (spawned by cockamamy liberal views?) they are
> inviting the multinational companies in to invest in their countries!

Who's they? The fascist el presidente' or the starving child?
Ken, you know as well as I do (I assume) that socialist revolution 
requires *some* level of popular support.

> Food IS a weapon we should be using.  You've just got it backwards.  

Gosh, I love this one! Guns are butter is guns! Food is a weapon
we've been using against these countries for years. So why are we
so shocked when a country, (e.g. the Philippines, net food exporter
by a huge margin, but wracked with abject poverty) should ever
question the western values that set the country's priorities?

> How many countries have to turn from breadbaskets and 
> potential breadbaskets into desserts under communism before 
> YOU get the picture?

Look Ken, read my original posting! I'm not advocating communism
one bit. I'm offerring a reason (a valid one at that!) why
nations we had "supported" for years (Nicaragua, Cuba, etc...)
become disgruntled: they see all their food being exported to
rich countries and el presidente' riding around in a Mercedes
putting bullets in the chests of communist sympathizers!
Some poster said something to the effect of: "But America
grows plenty of food, why would we need the food from these
other nations?" We take rich farmland, capable of supporting
an enormous variety of crops, and grow bananas on 20% of it,
leaving the rest fallow to ensure many farmers will be out
of work, hence: cheap labor!

> There is an old joke from the East to the effect that if the Communists took
> over the Sahara Dessert in five years there would be a shortage of sand.

Sure, but when you are hungry and someone offers you the promise
of food, telling you that you will work for yourself and fellow
citizens, even YOU will go for it (Don't tell me you'd rather be
dead than red, Ken.)

> Arndt you glad I've cleared this up for you??

Pleased as punch!

-your left-wing, sissified fellow poster, todd jones